Is BC like fight club?

[burrheadd]

You ever see any UFOs

 

[Cementups]

how can they hold you accountable for what you post here or anywhere else when you are off the clock? no freedom of speech.? give some examples.

i hear almost on a daily basis someone getting fired for something they post on facebook or twitter. that doesn't sound right to me unless the company can prove monetary damages.

Your "freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from slander and libel, be it on or off the clock or the medium in which you communicate said speech.

 

[BakerMayfield2018]

Your "freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from slander and libel, be it on or off the clock or the medium in which you communicate said speech.

 

[Babagounj]

You?

Of course me.
I had a buddy replace all the hard drives so that when the computers were turned on they didn't show up as stolen .
Made a small fortune .
I considered it payback for only giving me one raise in 13 yrs of air driving .

 

[MendozaJ]

how can they hold you accountable for what you post here or anywhere else when you are off the clock? no freedom of speech.? give some examples.

i hear almost on a daily basis someone getting fired for something they post on facebook or twitter. that doesn't sound right to me unless the company can prove monetary damages.

You can say whatever you want publicly about UPS on your own time, but that doesn't mean you are immune from the consequences that may result from it. Freedom of speech restricts the government's ability to punish citizens for voicing an opinion. A colonist would be imprisoned for ridiculing King George, but a certain revolution now allows us to mock our president all day, every day.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

@Savvy412

I never hear about *wispers* brown cafe every mentioned at the hub. And there are so many times I want to mention something said and I just stop and get thissecretive feeling and shut up


* the first rule about brown cafe, don't talk about brown

This should HELP.

https://www.nlrb.gov/news-outreach/fact-sheets/nlrb-and-social-media

 

[BrownTexas]

I had a guy at work ask me if I was browntexas. I told him yeah. I have posted enough personal info about my situations for someone to easily know who I am. I don't say anything I wouldn't have already said at work.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

how can they hold you accountable for what you post here or anywhere else when you are off the clock? no freedom of speech.? give some examples.

i hear almost on a daily basis someone getting fired for something they post on facebook or twitter. that doesn't sound right to me unless the company can prove monetary damages.

Really....are you that naive? So if I take pictures or a video of the operations inside the building....even if I'm on break or off the clock and post it on say, Twitter or Facebook. And management can prove that it was my Twitter or FB account, why shouldn't I be fired? The taking of unauthorized pics or videos on ups property is against corporate rules....let alone putting it on the internet for anyone to see.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Really....are you that naive? So if I take pictures or a video of the operations inside the building....even if I'm on break or off the clock and post it on say, Twitter or Facebook. And management can prove that it was my Twitter or FB account, why shouldn't I be fired? The taking of unauthorized pics or videos on ups property is against corporate rules....let alone putting it on the internet for anyone to see.

Not quite. See my last post.

 

[bleedinbrown58]

Not quite. See my last post.

Complaining about a manager or supervisor off the clock on social media is one thing. UPS has a picture/video policy and an expectation of privacy for their operations and property. Mostly likely, you will get fired or at the very least, disciplined. Will you get your job back? Probably....but would I want to roll the ball and risk it? Nope, doesn't seem worth it.
Regardless....you know as well as I do....if management really wants you gone, they will find a way.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Complaining about a manager or supervisor off the clock on social media is one thing. UPS has a picture/video policy and an expectation of privacy for their operations and property. Mostly likely, you will get fired or at the very least, disciplined. Will you get your job back? Probably....but would I want to roll the ball and risk it? Nope, doesn't seem worth it.
Regardless....you know as well as I do....if management really wants you gone, they will find a way.

Yes, there are, and should be restrictions. But taking pictures of UPS facilities and/or equipment is protected if the propose of taking the pictures is to address workplace issues. UPS, as well as many other companies, think that they can get away with firing their employees by putting broad sweeping policies in place that prohibit taking photos or discussing issues online. They cannot. And they are finding that out in court.

 

[jibbs]

Say I said I stole stuff . they would still have to prove it. Nothing we say on here could hold up on its own .

I could be trolling for all they know

Say you're easily identifiable for whatever reason (remember I've been speaking hypothetically here) and someone who knows you sees your incriminating post. They now have an identity, a confession to a specific terminable offense, and the ability to forward the information to someone who could use the database UPS would likely provide to search for information about any packages that may've been reported as never received or stolen from any routes you've driven recently.



Seriously, this isn't that complicated. Think about compromising yourself online more like knocking down the first domino of a set and less like an immediate cause-and-effect, "You're fired and under arrest!"-kind of relationship, and remember that complete anonymity never really existed online in the first place.

 

[olroadbeech]

Your "freedom of speech" doesn't protect you from slander and libel, be it on or off the clock or the medium in which you communicate said speech.

that's a good point . thanks for clarifying.

 

[olroadbeech]

Freedom of speech protects you from the government. Not your private employer.

i would like specific examples of Upsers being disciplined or terminated for things they have said on BC, facebook, or twitter if there are any .

the only time i got in trouble and it was minor off the clock was drinking a beer at a casino after work with my uniform still on. it was just slip on my part. i just put my civilian jacket back on.

 

[Box Ox]

i would like specific examples of Upsers being disciplined or terminated for things they have said on BC, facebook, or twitter if there are any .

I'd like specific examples of UPSers invoking their First Amendment rights upon being threatened with disciplinary action.

We probably don't hear about UPSers being disciplined or terminated for content posted online simply because that rarely, if ever happens. Not because we're constitutionally protected from our CMs and DMs.

 

[Orion inc.]

i would like specific examples of Upsers being disciplined or terminated for things they have said on BC, facebook, or twitter if there are any .

the only time i got in trouble and it was minor off the clock was drinking a beer at a casino after work with my uniform still on. it was just slip on my part. i just put my civilian jacket back on.

Sure ya did. You're so full of it.

 

[cheryl]

I'd like specific examples of UPSers invoking their First Amendment rights upon being threatened with disciplinary action.

We probably don't hear about UPSers being disciplined or terminated for content posted online simply because that rarely, if ever happens. Not because we're constitutionally protected from our CMs and DMs.

The U.S. Constitution:

Amendment I

Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.


Freedom of speech? ... better ask your boss

The U.S. Constitution's free speech protections apply only to action by the government.

That means the government can't prevent you from expressing your opinion, such as speaking at a political rally or writing a letter to the editor of the local newspaper.

By contrast, except for limited exceptions, there's nothing to keep your employer from firing you, or taking other disciplinary action, for what you say at the water cooler, in a company newsletter, or even on your own personal blog.


Anonymity

Many people don't want the things they say online to be connected with their offline identities.

Instead of using their true names to communicate, these people choose to speak using pseudonyms (assumed names) or anonymously (no name at all). For these individuals and the organizations that support them, secure anonymity is critical.

Anonymous communications have an important place in our political and social discourse. The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment

These long-standing rights to anonymity and the protections it affords are critically important for the Internet. As the Supreme Court has recognized, the Internet offers a new and powerful democratic forum in which anyone can become a "pamphleteer" or "a town crier with a voice that resonates farther than it could from any soapbox."


I originally posted this in 2009: http://www.browncafe.com/community/...m-i-free-to-speak-my-mind.230139/#post-505260

 

[Box Ox]

The Supreme Court has ruled repeatedly that the right to anonymous free speech is protected by the First Amendment

Right, so the government can't shut down BC (or any other site) because their users participate using pseudonyms. But there's still no inherent protection from UPS for its users other than anonymity itself. If UPS still finds out who I am, arguing that I posted the objectionable content under a pseudonym wouldn't protect me.

 

[Box Ox]

Probably still important to note that if the "Vote No on UPS Contract" group posters on Facebook aren't getting fired in droves, we'll probably still be ok here on BC.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Probably still important to note that if the "Vote No on UPS Contract" group posters on Facebook aren't getting fired in droves, we'll probably still be ok here on BC.

They are mostly protected. See my link I posted earlier. Much of the content on the Vote No UPS Contract " page is, or could be construed as, protected "concerted activity."

Protected Concerted Activity is a legal term used in labor policy to define employee protection against employer retaliation in the United States. It is a legal principle under the subject of the freedom of association. It defines the activities workers may partake in without fear of employer retaliation.