It's peak what time did you punch out???

[UPSGUY72]

You know its peak when you clock out at 7:45 at night and feel sorta guilty because everyone else in your loop is still out delivering.

I never feel guilty clocking out when other people are still working.

 

[onewithedd]

Start 0910 finish 2225 on Friday 2100 to 2130 rest of week

 

[UPSGUY72]

Start 0910 finish 2225 on Friday 2100 to 2130 rest of week

If you punched in at 9:10 each day and punch out at 2225 on Friday. There is no way you punched out after 2100 the rest of the week. Your would have work over 60 hrs thus violating DOT HOS rules in which case UPS has to report you to the DOT by law.

 

[chuchu]

Started at 0915, left bldg at 0930, 177 stops, 545 pieces, 28 pickups, 200 pieces, used helper for 3.99 hours, punched out at 1815.

10 or 15 miles?

 

[chuchu]

One other item. I pulled the SLAP label off a couple of my missed packages on Friday. We are not allowed to sheet them as missed anymore, they scan them at the hub. Checked the tracking number and got this:

Nashville, TN, United States 12/02/2011 9:28 P.M. Pkg delay-add'l security check by gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control.
12/02/2011 6:26 A.M. Out For Delivery
12/02/2011 3:06 A.M. Arrival Scan
Knoxville, TN, United States 12/01/2011 9:54 P.M. Departure Scan
12/01/2011 7:41 P.M. Origin Scan
United States 12/01/2011 4:06 P.M. Order Processed: Ready for UPS


"Pkg delay-add'l security check by gov't or other agency- beyond UPS control." Don't want the customer to be able to get a refund??? I thought integrity was something UPS prided itself on.

Call the HONESTY HOTLINE with someone elses phone and report the scum mgmnt.

 

[chuchu]

ups does not pride itself on integrity, ups prides itself on screwing both its customers and its employees out of as much money as possble in order to benefit its shareholders.

You need to call the 1-800 number. You also need to file an article 37 grievance. You are being instructed to falsify delivery records, which is a form of coercion, which is a contract violation. Even if the grievance doesnt ultimately prevail, it will have the effect of exposing what your management is doing. Not only are our customers being defrauded out of the refunds that they are entitled to, but the absence of "missed" packages on the report enables your area management to pretend that the "plan" is working....which means that the same thing will happen again next year. the "plan" must be exposed for the failure that it is, which wont happen as long as your management continues hiding the truth.

there is no doubt in my mind that the district and division managers are in on this. No doubt what so ever.

 

[onewithedd]

U take one hour off for lunch....that's how

 

[chuchu]

at that point i would have used my own credit card, turned in the receipt and been reimbursed out of petty cash back at the center.

your $ will be delivered to you by santa and the easter bunny holding hands with jim casey. Thanks for your donation.

 

[UPSGUY72]

U take one hour off for lunch....that's how

Lunch is include in the 60 hours unless it's a 10 hour lunch because you are still responsible for the care and custody of the vehicle.

"The bottom line is that on-duty time includes all time you
are working for a motor carrier, whether paid or not, and
all time you are doing paid work for anyone else"

http://www.fmcsa.dot.gov/rules-regulations/truck/driver/hos/fmcsa-guide-to-hos.pdf

Read page 5

 

[onewithedd]

Our lunches have never been included since we are punched out and are not operating the car. We have always done it this way and have never had DOT issues that I have heard of they print out the report every day and tell us how many hours we have available

 

[Cementups]

lunch is not included in your 60 hours. Never has been.

 

[Jack4343]

lunch is not included in your 60 hours. Never has been.

Correct. My understanding is that your lunch IS included in your 14 hours maximum workable hours allowed per day. So you cannot work over 13 hours on the clock with a 1 hour lunch and you must have 10 hours off from that point. The 60 hours allowable per week does not include time off from lunch. If I am mistaken, someone correct me. This is what we are being told by our sups. Usually don't have to worry about DOT hours so much this early in the year but it's been a rough peak that has started much earlier than previous years. (I'm sure it's the case pretty much everywhere else as well)

 

[menotyou]

What Is Off-Duty Time? By understanding the definition of on-duty time, you will get a good idea of what is considered off-duty time. In order for time to be considered off duty, you must be relieved of all duty and responsibility for performing work. You must be free to pursue activities of your own choosing and be able to leave the place where your vehicle is parked. If you are not doing any work (paid or unpaid) for a motor carrier, and you are not doing any paid work for anyone else, you may record the time as off-duty time

 

[over9five]

Correct. My understanding is that your lunch IS included in your 14 hours maximum workable hours allowed per day. So you cannot work over 13 hours on the clock with a 1 hour lunch and you must have 10 hours off from that point. The 60 hours allowable per week does not include time off from lunch. If I am mistaken, someone correct me. This is what we are being told by our sups. Usually don't have to worry about DOT hours so much this early in the year but it's been a rough peak that has started much earlier than previous years. (I'm sure it's the case pretty much everywhere else as well)

This is correct. Lunch or no lunch, you can only work 14 hours punch to punch.
If you start at 8 AM, you must punch out by 10 PM whether or not you have taken a lunch.

Lunch does not count toward your 60.

 

[menotyou]

This is correct. Lunch or no lunch, you can only work 14 hours punch to punch.
If you start at 8 AM, you must punch out by 10 PM whether or not you have taken a lunch.

Lunch does not count toward your 60.

If you are stuck with your truck and can't leave it to go do your own thing, it does count according to the DOT. Paid or unpaid time in the service of your employer.

 

[over9five]

If you are stuck with your truck and can't leave it to go do your own thing, it does count according to the DOT. Paid or unpaid time in the service of your employer.

Why would you be stuck with your truck? Does the back not lock?

 

[menotyou]

Why would you be stuck with your truck? Does the back not lock?

Out on route, you are stuck with the truck. Of course it locks, silly. It's paid or unpaid time in the service of your employer. UPS might not want to include your lunch, but the DOT does. Are you able to walk away from a feeder, jump in your personal vehicle and go have lunch at the Olive Garden with the wifey while in the middle of a trip? That's the point. You are stuck with the truck.

 

[over9five]

Out on route, you are stuck with the truck. Of course it locks, silly. It's paid or unpaid time in the service of your employer. UPS might not want to include your lunch, but the DOT does. Are you able to walk away from a feeder, jump in your personal vehicle and go have lunch at the Olive Garden with the wifey while in the middle of a trip? That's the point. You are stuck with the truck.

That's not what it means. You are quite welcome to walk away from your truck anytime you are on lunch. You can go into a restaurant, you can shop, you can take a walk.

The DOT is referring to people like armored truck guards who quite literally can't leave their truck unattended while taking lunch.

 

[menotyou]

That's not what it means. You are quite welcome to walk away from your truck anytime you are on lunch. You can go into a restaurant, you can shop, you can take a walk.

The DOT is referring to people like armored truck guards who quite literally can't leave their truck unattended while taking lunch.

I'm not sure.......

I am saying it's part of the 14 hours workable a day. Not in the 12.

 

[cachsux]

Correct. My understanding is that your lunch IS included in your 14 hours maximum workable hours allowed per day. So you cannot work over 13 hours on the clock with a 1 hour lunch and you must have 10 hours off from that point. The 60 hours allowable per week does not include time off from lunch. If I am mistaken, someone correct me. This is what we are being told by our sups. Usually don't have to worry about DOT hours so much this early in the year but it's been a rough peak that has started much earlier than previous years. (I'm sure it's the case pretty much everywhere else as well)

This is correct. Lunch or no lunch, you can only work 14 hours punch to punch.
If you start at 8 AM, you must punch out by 10 PM whether or not you have taken a lunch.

Lunch does not count toward your 60.

I'm not sure.......

I am saying it's part of the 14 hours workable a day. Not in the 12.

Jack and 09 are correct. It is 14 hours punch in to punch out, period. That`s 13 paid hours and 1 hour lunch. It doesnt matter if we drive em or wash and wax em, its 14 p to p. The 1 hour unpaid however does not contribute to your 60 DOT total. So yes, technically that`s 65 hours at work but only 60 counts.