Orion Forcing

[govols019]

ORION and telematics metrics are back with a vengeance in my building. Harassment is now the standard tactic. They are giving warning letters out like crazy. Every other morning consists of 5-10 drivers being held over after the PCM to be giving a warning letter for ORION or "talked to" about telematics.

Some of us are required to send a message informing them that we will be over our ORION miles and to get approval for that and for each time we break trace. And they want to know by how many miles. LOL! Many of us are now running our routes at 100% no matter how stupid it is. Some are running it more logically but blasting the center with messages asking for approval to break trace. Grievances are about to be through the roof. If they aren't already.

Running at 100% is what everyone should have been doing from the start. Give 'em what they want.

 

[dookie stain]

Still never followed Orion once

 

[MC0493]

So follow 25 stops and have late air, then no discipline? Orion has me doing like 20 stops w my air, which is impossible

Exactly. First 25 will be impossible

 

[In2Deep?]

i just follow it and more often than not someone has to come and take business stops off of me because Orion is nothing more than a gps. If they want me to do 40 residential stops starting at noon that's what I'll do. It's now their problem to figure out. Management wants you to stress out and put out their fires but I've found the best way to reduce stress is to follow Orion. It takes all responsibility out of our hands.

Today I had a late air because Orion had me delivering ground with air. Not my problem, it's Orion's

 

[KOG72]

This has not been mentioned in our building in over a year

 

[In2Deep?]

...also the only way you can hit the miles orion wants is by backing in driveways. What was the first rule of backing again?

 

[Coldworld]

I'm so sick of the "if you don't like it then leave mentality"

It shouldn't be like that, yes I do make 35hr.

No I should not be threatened On a daily basis, no I should not be forced to work 50 hours every week even on the 9-5 list, no I should not have to work for a company who disregards OSHA rules, no I should not have to work for a company that puts production in front of my safety, and last off, no I shouldn't have to work for a company where if we have an issue our brothers say go else where.

In my 15 years it's just getting worse and worse. Strike!!!

Management at many hubs/centers are forced to dispatch is at 9.3hr planned day, so if they don't do so THEY than get in trouble by people over them. This is way more than a center level issue.

I know there are some who say that we need to stand up to the company but imo this starts with the teamsters at the national level.. then we can take it to them at a local level....if h and h don't play hardball with the company nothing we do locally will have any teeth... We can be productive enough to keep the business going and not be in such a damn frenzy everyday that we get hurt...or have to work crazy hours... There is a middle ground but since either ups or the union want to hear it its just going to be the status quo. I personally am tired of seeing these new guys run their asses off just to end up getting hurt, and in many cases have surgeries at such young ages ...it is totally unfair and the union haven't done ... Nothing.. I don't care if there is art 37 Lang. Or 9.5 ... These are just band aids of the real problems...wake up h and h...wake the friend up!!!

 

[Foamer Pyle]

ORION and telematics metrics are back with a vengeance in my building. Harassment is now the standard tactic. They are giving warning letters out like crazy. Every other morning consists of 5-10 drivers being held over after the PCM to be giving a warning letter for ORION or "talked to" about telematics.

Some of us are required to send a message informing them that we will be over our ORION miles and to get approval for that and for each time we break trace. And they want to know by how many miles. LOL! Many of us are now running our routes at 100% no matter how stupid it is. Some are running it more logically but blasting the center with messages asking for approval to break trace. Grievances are about to be through the roof. If they aren't already.

The current contract says that UPS cannot punish a driver on telematics alone. They can't do crap with any of the electronic monitoring, so that won't go anywhere.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

The current contract says that UPS cannot punish a driver on telematics alone. They can't do crap with any of the electronic monitoring, so that won't go anywhere.

Please show us in the contract where it specifically states that.

Don't waste your time looking---you won't find that specific language.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Please show us in the contract where it specifically states that.

Don't waste your time looking---you won't find that specific language.

It says it can't be done unless whatever the desk jockys claim the infraction was dishonesty.

 

[Coldworld]

It says it can't be done unless whatever the desk jockys claim the infraction was dishonesty.

Which is everything.....wiping your ass an extra 5 seconds is dishonesty... They have used that term so much over the years it means absolutely nothing anymore...typical bs corporation...

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

The current contract says that UPS cannot punish a driver on telematics alone. They can't do crap with any of the electronic monitoring, so that won't go anywhere.

What's your definition of "punish"?
Contract says they can't discharge an employee based solely on technology.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It says it can't be done unless whatever the desk jockys claim the infraction was dishonesty.

Please show me where the language includes the word "telematics".

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

What's your definition of "punish"?
Contract says they can't discharge an employee based solely on technology.

Bingo!

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Please show me where the language includes the word "telematics".

I believe the word technology takes care of that.

 

[Foamer Pyle]

What's your definition of "punish"?
Contract says they can't discharge an employee based solely on technology.

They have tried to write people up here, and if you have a good union steward, that crap will wind up right in the garbage can.

 

[MC0493]

...also the only way you can hit the miles orion wants is by backing in driveways. What was the first rule of backing again?

Running Orion as a whole contradicts alot of things, only back when necessary. Safety first, yet let's cross streets to make deliveries. Etc etc

 

[Foamer Pyle]

What's your definition of "punish"?
Contract says they can't discharge an employee based solely on technology.

Oh, so the warning letter is as worthless as the paper it's written on. Nothing they can do, but try and Harassment, and intimidation.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Oh, so the warning letter is as worthless as the paper it's written on.

They almost always are.

Nothing they can do, but try and Harassment, and intimidation.

Business as usual.




My point is there's a common misconception that they can't discipline you. They can, but I wouldn't mind a few days off anyways so bring it on.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Running at 100% is what everyone should have been doing from the start. Give 'em what they want.

It feels so wrong sometimes. Especially when I'm passing stops and delivering them out from the left side later.