2018 YES vote : Why does the IBT BACK THIS ?

[LagunaBrown]

Our cover drivers make over $30, so ya, you're wrong to say ours make $18. Sorry you guys make 3 bucks less.

It's besides the point anyways. 25% of the drivers making 6 dollars less is not the same as using cover drivers.

It's a concession.

Your “cover drivers” started at $18 in progression

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

I really didnt read the contract i voted yes on , but the rumors are the hybrids are up to full pay in 4 years anyway? Same system as now like iguanabrown said.

That is not correct, their top rate is $6 less. And instead of having a few lower paid cover drivers 25% will be paid less.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Your “cover drivers” started at $18 in progression

Wrong again.
85% of top rate from day one.

 

[LagunaBrown]

That is not correct, their top rate is $6 less. And instead of having a few lower paid cover drivers 25% will be paid less.

They can still go full time dummy

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

They can still go full time dummy

They can do that without 22.4
Ttku my guy.

 

[LagunaBrown]

Wrong again.
85% of top rate from day one.

Ok so in your area YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO DRIVERS!!!! What is your agreement? Your guys don’t get full time pension! It’s an upgrade! So basically you want to keep your cover driver that makes the same as a 22.4 but with no full time pension. Dumb!

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Ok so then YOU ALREADY HAVE TWO DRIVERS!!!! What is your argument?

That we don't need more.
Ttku.

 

[wide load]

Tell us all why you think the current IBT is backing a YES vote

What is the REAL reason behind this

The real reason is that come election time, they can portray a great contract on the first pass on all their literature.

 

[LagunaBrown]

That we don't need more.
Ttku.

That is not what your voting for you voting no keeps a lower paid two tier driver. Bravo! Stick to emoji charms genius.

 

[wide load]

Our guys make $27 dollars an hour in full time progression while yours makes $18.. you don’t even know how it works. SMH

And you complain that a our few qualified part timers will work full time on feeders and make $37 an hour?
“$27 an hour would never fly on the east coast!”

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

That is not what your voting for you voting no keeps a lower paid two tier driver. Bravo!

A yes vote also keeps a lower paid two tier driver.... And creates another class of lower paid driver that will be 25 percent of the workforce.

You're pretending like it's creating jobs. All it is doing is converting jobs that would have been top rate to a lower rate.

 

[LagunaBrown]

A yes vote also keeps a lower paid two tier driver.... And creates another class of lower paid driver that will be 25 percent of the workforce.

You're pretending like it's creating jobs. All it is doing is converting jobs that would have been top rate to a lower rate.

You act like they won’t ever go full time and thats ridiculous! The Union would not turn down that dues kind of dues money!

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You act like they won’t ever go full timeand thats ridiculous! The Union would not turn down thatdues money!

They would go to RPCD quicker without 22.4.
25% will be paid lower if you get your way.

 

[LagunaBrown]

They would go to RPCD quicker without 22.4.
25% will be paid lower if you get your way.

OMG! If they hired 25% more 22.4 drivers you would have to hire more full time drivers because RPCD’s would bid on those routes that are in 3 out of 5 days for 30 days. Like I told you they will only hire as many 22.4 as they need on Saturday. The problem with this conversation is you have to actually read the contract to know how it works.

 

[LagunaBrown]

And you complain that a our few qualified part timers will work full time on feeders and make $37 an hour?
“$27 an hour would never fly on the east coast!”

My point has always been that you talk crap on two tier drivers but that is just what your part time feeder guys are. We put our cover drivers in so they could not hire so many casuals just like you. Also we are red circled at $27 instead of $18 until their progression goes to the full time rate so that is the starting rate of progression

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Like I told you they will only hire as many 22.4 as they need on Saturday.

I agree, they will only hire as many drivers as they need.

22.4 will not create jobs, only convert jobs that would have been top rate to $6 dollars an hour less.

Glad we are in agreement that this is a sellout.

 

[LagunaBrown]

I agree, they will only hire as many drivers as they need. 22.4 will not create jobs, only convert jobs that would have been top rate to $6 dollars an hour less.

Glad we are in agreement that this is a sellout.

You already have drivers doing it for $6 dollars less. How come you NEVER complained before this contract? Seriously how long have you had them in your contract? Wake up and get them a full time pension.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

You already have drivers doing it for $6 dollars less. How come you NEVER complained before this contract? Wake up and get them a full time pension.

25 percent will be paid $6 an hour less if you get your way.

That is not the same as cover drivers.
Try again tiny Tony.

 

[LagunaBrown]

25 percent will be paid $6 an hour less if you get your way.

That is not the same as cover drivers.
Try again tiny Tony.

You said yourself cover drivers get paid 85%. They also make a part time pension. Where were you when that two tier driver contract got voted in Alice?

 

[wide load]

My point has always been that you talk crap on two tier drivers but that is just what your part time feeder guys are. We put our cover drivers in so they could not hire so many casuals just like you. Also we are red circled at $27 instead of $18 until their progression goes to the full time rate so that is the starting rate of progression

2 tier? Our part timers that transfer into full time feeder cover aren’t 2 tier. They go through progression like every single driver and make $10 more an hour than west coast covers. All east coast covers go to top rate.