22.4 s lives matter too.

[Staydryitsraining]

Under any circumstances are 22.4s allowed to bid routes?

One would assume if no one signed the bid

 

[PT Car Washer]

One would assume if no one signed the bid

Wouldn't that mean that he is a FT driver and not a combo driver?

 

[Seymour Packages]

Wouldn't that mean that he is a FT driver and not a combo driver?

Theoretically, if no one signs the bid except a 22.4 and he/she gets the route, would that be a promotion? Reading the NMA, I don't see any language expressly prohibiting a 22.4 from bidding a route.

 

[deeztier]

Where on earth is this? So a 30 yr pter can win a bid for 22.3 spot over a 25 yr fter?

RPCD not 22.3

 

[eats packages]

Theoretically, if no one signs the bid except a 22.4 and he/she gets the route, would that be a promotion? Reading the NMA, I don't see any language expressly prohibiting a 22.4 from bidding a route.

I am pretty sure either the national or my local riders prevent 22.4 from bidding a route. The closest they get is weekly coverage for vacations which also helps fortify their non-paying excessive overtime grievances.

 

[Undertow]

RPCD get treated like dirt and highly targeted to be fired...They wanted us all fired in February but the coronavirus threw them off.

Well maybe not all of them fired in February as the service would have cratered so badly that the company still wouldn't have dug itself out of the hole COVID or not, but Yeah i agree that the long term goal could well be just that. Not that they'd ever refer to it as "firing". It would be termed in the usual corporate spin such as "phase-out" or some other hash in an effort to take the stink off.

 

[burrheadd]

Well maybe not all of them fired in February as the service would have cratered so badly that the company still wouldn't have dug itself out of the hole COVID or not, but Yeah i agree that the long term goal could well be just that. Not that they'd ever refer to it as "firing". It would be termed in the usual corporate spin such as "phase-out" or some other hash in an effort to take the stink off.

You have no idea what you’re jabbering about

 

[zimbomb]

Unionized labor is inherently a socialist endeavor. The old keep eating the young and we are where we are... This me me YOLO boomer generation needs to be taken out of "leadership" for anything to change.

 

[Undertow]

I was at our union meeting about the contract. I stood up and said that the new 22.4 position has no protection which is ridiculous. I also said, I can speak for every other driver in the room that doesn't want to give anything up in the future for the 22.4 to have protections.

I can think of one exception. I'd gladly give up Hoffa and Taylor in exchange for two people that acted in the best interests of the union members that pay their salaries instead of impersonating board members of the company. Anything else? Forget it. It was blatantly obvious to most any hourly employee who'd paid attention to how bad the working conditions have deteriorated in recent years that just the language alone in the 22.4 article was an outright insult.

A few here have taken the bait, but not anywhere near enough to get to adequate staffing for the majority of the year.

 

[Undertow]

If 22.4 was a thing when i went full time, i woulda stayed part time for life.

Some buildings and/or some regions might be run better than others, so it might be possible that there's at least some pockets where the 22.4's aren't being abused to the degree that the contract language allows for.

But I totally agree with what you stated. As long as a bad manager has 22.4 as a get-out-of-jail-free card, accepting the position is simply asking to be abused and exploited. Even if they make it through the progression, they are guaranteed to make less for mostly the exact same work and on the chance that they finally land an RPCD position down the road, their ability to make back what they forfeited in wages for years could be curtailed if their bodies break down due to being beat up from the excessive hours accumulated for literally years on end while they were stuck in the 2nd tier wage. I wonder how many buildings still can't land enough workers for the job even this long after Hoffa and Taylor rammed that awful contract through.

 

[Red Devil]

Some buildings and/or some regions might be run better than others, so it might be possible that there's at least some pockets where the 22.4's aren't being abused to the degree that the contract language allows for.

But I totally agree with what you stated. As long as a bad manager has 22.4 as a get-out-of-jail-free card, accepting the position is simply asking to be abused and exploited. Even if they make it through the progression, they are guaranteed to make less for mostly the exact same work and on the chance that they finally land an RPCD position down the road, their ability to make back what they forfeited in wages for years could be curtailed if their bodies break down due to being beat up from the excessive hours accumulated for literally years on end while they were stuck in the 2nd tier wage. I wonder how many buildings still can't land enough workers for the job even this long after Hoffa and Taylor rammed that awful contract through.

The 22.4s (including myself) are really treated no different than any low seniority cover driver at my center. We aren’t forced 6 days and usually dispatched with 8-10 hour days. Sometimes 12 but not as a rule. But you are exactly right...the management team could change at any time and some maroon could come in and then we have no protections. I am hoping to bid out of 22.4 before then. I also want to get out before the next contract in case they try any kind of funny business.

Which is kind of too bad because I actually like the Tues-Sat schedule and I can live just fine on the lower pay scale. But I don’t want to end up as a 22.4 1/2 five years from now.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

The 22.4s (including myself) are really treated no different than any low seniority cover driver at my center. We aren’t forced 6 days and usually dispatched with 8-10 hour days. Sometimes 12 but not as a rule. But you are exactly right...the management team could change at any time and some maroon could come in and then we have no protections. I am hoping to bid out of 22.4 before then. I also want to get out before the next contract in case they try any kind of funny business.

Which is kind of too bad because I actually like the Tues-Sat schedule and I can live just fine on the lower pay scale. But I don’t want to end up as a 22.4 1/2 five years from now.

I'd be willing to bet the 22.4 language will be stronger not weaker next contract.

 

[Red Devil]

I'd be willing to bet the 22.4 language will be stronger not weaker next contract.

I hope so. But you never know

 

[JJinVA]

Under any circumstances are 22.4s allowed to bid routes?

Ive been told no. We dont have routes only RPCDs have bidded routes. As 22.4's they can put us on any route they need us on, or to cover other drivers who called out. Thats one positive side of the 22.4 gig is I can occasionally run a route that I otherwise wouldnt have seen for 20 years.