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vantexan

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That's no way to do business. Your idea would be that even if x profits only $.03 per package off each Amazon package, we may as well take it and just let Amazon make the $3 per package in the metro areas. No. That's beggar's mentality. In two years Amazon will expect X to take just $.02 per package and so on.
Is that 3 cents after the money FedEx makes that goes into paying for the courier, the truck, the fuel? FedEx isn't paid 3 cents per pkg, it clears 3 cents after it's other expenses. And nationwide that profit adds up. If it didn't work for the company's accountants they wouldn't be doing it. Now if that isn't worth it to Ground contractors to clear 3 cents a pkg ok, point taken. But even Amazon knows it can't push for 2 cents because no one will deliver their pkgs if they can't make money doing it. Which is why they're looking to deliver their own pkgs as much as possible.
 

bbsam

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Is that 3 cents after the money FedEx makes that goes into paying for the courier, the truck, the fuel? FedEx isn't paid 3 cents per pkg, it clears 3 cents after it's other expenses. And nationwide that profit adds up. If it didn't work for the company's accountants they wouldn't be doing it. Now if that isn't worth it to Ground contractors to clear 3 cents a pkg ok, point taken. But even Amazon knows it can't push for 2 cents because no one will deliver their pkgs if they can't make money doing it. Which is why they're looking to deliver their own pkgs as much as possible.
X is cheap. If it can't make X% profit, they'll walk away. They've turned away Bezos several times. No need to suck up to him now.

UPS, however may be in a bind. They sold out for that volume.
 

bacha29

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X is cheap. If it can't make X% profit, they'll walk away. They've turned away Bezos several times. No need to suck up to him now.

UPS, however may be in a bind. They sold out for that volume.
That's a fact Jack. Why would you want to commit your remaining capacity to hauling Bezo boxes when you know that if you wait a couple of years you stand a good chance filling it up with higher margin boxes.?
 

SmithBarney

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That's no way to do business. Your idea would be that even if x profits only $.03 per package off each Amazon package, we may as well take it and just let Amazon make the $3 per package in the metro areas. No. That's beggar's mentality. In two years Amazon will expect X to take just $.02 per package and so on.

You have to remember, FDX/UPS and common carriers are only "profiting" on the shipping...
Amazon is Profiting on what's in the box, and if they can cut out shippers in certain markets, they will profit on the shipping and even if it's only a penny, that is all they need.
 

SmithBarney

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That's a fact Jack. Why would you want to commit your remaining capacity to hauling Bezo boxes when you know that if you wait a couple of years you stand a good chance filling it up with higher margin boxes.?
FedEx isn't one for "waiting" around... hence the latest push for the past two years for all sales leads, big and small.
 

bacha29

Well-Known Member
UPDATE: Bezos has an eye toward getting into the prescription drug business. What an absolute nightmare that could be for the guys operating in the snowy rural parts of the nation. Decision expected in the next 4-6 weeks.
 

It will be fine

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UPDATE: Bezos has an eye toward getting into the prescription drug business. What an absolute nightmare that could be for the guys operating in the snowy rural parts of the nation. Decision expected in the next 4-6 weeks.
If anyone can bring the price of prescription drugs down I welcome them to the market. Amazon is usually good at cost reduction, I hope they succeed.
 

NYCFXG

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Everyone is missing a major part of this puzzle... It isn't always about profit. Sometimes just covering cost is worth obtaining large accounts like Amazon. Large accounts allow the business to scale differently and therefore lower their per package overhead. Example: Terminal handles 1000 packages a day and they are all done by hand. Terminal handles 25000 packages a day and uses automation. Which terminal spends more money per package to process? By scaling up, it increases the profit margin on their other accounts. That is what Amazon offers. This is all before considering the increase in value that comes from the added market share and gross income. Publicly traded companies are different animals.
 

bbsam

Moderator
Staff member
Everyone is missing a major part of this puzzle... It isn't always about profit. Sometimes just covering cost is worth obtaining large accounts like Amazon. Large accounts allow the business to scale differently and therefore lower their per package overhead. Example: Terminal handles 1000 packages a day and they are all done by hand. Terminal handles 25000 packages a day and uses automation. Which terminal spends more money per package to process? By scaling up, it increases the profit margin on their other accounts. That is what Amazon offers. This is all before considering the increase in value that comes from the added market share and gross income. Publicly traded companies are different animals.
And if Amazon is serious and decides to expand their delivery network to challenge UPS and FedEx for customers? Then where do things stand?
 

Star B

White Lightening
Example: Terminal handles 1000 packages a day and they are all done by hand. Terminal handles 25000 packages a day and uses automation. Which terminal spends more money per package to process? By scaling up, it increases the profit margin on their other accounts. That is what Amazon offers. This is all before considering the increase in value that comes from the added market share and gross income. Publicly traded companies are different animals.

I don't know of any Express stations that have automated sorts other than the hubs.
 

SmithBarney

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I don't know of any Express stations that have automated sorts other than the hubs.

There are a few larger facilities that have automated sort, but I don't think they qualify as hubs, have about 4-5stations under one roof, and service a large area with CTV/RTVs as well.
 

vantexan

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There are a few larger facilities that have automated sort, but I don't think they qualify as hubs, have about 4-5stations under one roof, and service a large area with CTV/RTVs as well.
You mean ramp operations right? Don't know of any place that has multiple stations working out of same facility for courier delivery.
 
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