Anyone with time in Central States should vote no !!!

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by chester70, Jul 19, 2018.

  1. chester70

    chester70 New Member

    I believe we’re gonna get shafted when we turn 65 !!
     
  2. @cheryl
    :censored2: all of these threads down for the love of God
     
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  3. chester70

    chester70 New Member

    (If the benefit paid from the cs plan is reduced as permitted or required by law , the amount of such reduction shall not be included in this offset)
     
  4. BigBrown87

    BigBrown87 If it’s brown, it’s going down

    Already voted no, absentee ballot thanks Dennis for all your hard work but you did not finish the job. Please work as directed and start thinking for the members benefit not the companies.
     
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  5. john chesney

    john chesney Well-Known Member

    Is this new language?
     
  6. john chesney

    john chesney Well-Known Member

    I believe that’s already in the master and yes I believe we could be screwed
     
  7. govols019

    govols019 You smell that?

    I believe you would be wrong.
     
  8. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    How are we going to get shafted.... when the language you posted says different ?



    No.



    It's been in the Master since 2008.

    That's what protects us, if Central States defaults. Then UPS foots the entire bill.



    -Bug-
     
  9. chester70

    chester70 New Member

    The offset is the portion of your retirement you get from central states when you turn 65 , when central states goes broke(5-7 years) or reduces pensions ups / teamsters pension are not gonna pick up the difference the way I read it .
     
  10. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    You're reading it wrong.


    Trust me.... I was there at the 2-man committee in 2007.

    The IBT allowing UPS to pay their withdraw liability and start their own pension fund

    was contingent on them picking up the tab if Central States defaults.



    -Bug-
     
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  11. chester70

    chester70 New Member

    Well I hope so , asked b.a. about it a couple months ago ,and he was going to get back to me , never did, so I figured the worst ! Sorry to rile :censored2: up !
     
  12. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    I can't answer for what other people do.

    But, shame on your BA for not getting back with you.


    I had a great mentor.

    First person in my Local, to be elected into office for 4 consecutive terms.


    The most important thing I learned right off the bat was;

    If you don't know the answer to a members question, find out, and get back with them.

    (even if you know that's not what they want to hear)

    Because when it comes time for re-election, they won't forget you. :biggrin:



    It's all good.

    I'm just glad I saw this thread and could respond....

    Before it was 25 pages of innuendo.



    -Bug-
     
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  13. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Moving thread.
     
  14. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    PIOnline : Subscription Center
    UPS has already tried to wiggle out of this. If you have any time in the Central States, your central states portion is not safe. Vote NO.


    A “backstop agreement” in that CBA stated that in the event “at some point in the future if Central States ever lawfully cut benefits to that group, UPS would provide a supplemental retiree benefit,” UPS spokesman Steve Gaut said in a telephone interview. As a result of that backstop agreement now, we are potentially liable for a future payment to those (UPS) employees that are retirees that are eligible, associated with what that benefit cut turns out to be,” Mr. Gaut said.
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  15. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    UPS can try and wiggle all they want.

    They are still on the hook.... by virtue of the contractual language.
     
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  16. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member

    Contractually put in means it can be contractually taken out. Pitting UPS Pension only participants against UPSers with CS Pension time is how UPS will remove the make up difference clause.
     
  17. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    But, it hasn't.


    Let me know when that happens.


    The tinfoil hat....

    Is strong with the paranoia group.
     
  18. browned out

    browned out Well-Known Member


    We are not privy to if it is still in the Central Supplement because none of us has seen the supplement. It is complete. We have a right to see it now. No viable reason to withhold the supplement from the members. Hopefully it is still in there and it has been strengthened.
     
  19. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt


    Says who ?

    Are you relying on some sort of IBT Constitutional requirement ??


    More like....

    Making petty little "demands".

    Without any sort of foundation for the request.


    Sound about about right ?
     
  20. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    But it's not private... ;)