Attention Couriers: The End is Nigh!
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Oldfart
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They made Courier Paks with Hotelpak printed on it. Made nearly every hotel a regular pu and were trying to get more business from that group of businesses. This was late 70's, early 80's maybe. Several years before the Overnight Letter came out if I remember correctly. Seems like OL was '81. It never materialized as planned and went away.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
The MD10 was a bad investment. Fred spent huge money to upgrade DC10s, which were supposed to serve 20 years. Most made 10 years. Fredward needed to go 757/767/777 a long time before he did. Z vans were mechanical crap.
Barksdale actually cared about employees... that's why he left or was told to leave.
As usual, you don't know what you're talking about.
Cactus
Just telling it like it is
FredEx has a long string of bad investments and poor business models. Not listening to his frontline employees has hurt him and the company more than anything.
Oldfart
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Coming from the most miserable person ever hired by the company, your opinion means nothing to those of us that were there then. The reason the 777 was put into service later than you wanted was because the Memphis airport had to undergo a major renovation to handle the larger plane. You can't have planes landing at an airport without runway, taxiways and other improvements. Plus the 777 came into the picture for fedex because Airbus kept delaying the arrival of the 380. Once again, you continue to show you are clueless and bitter.
The Z van had clutch and shifter issues but was a superior van compared to what we have now. The side cargo door was a major asset that would be great if they could find a way to add to other vans even today. We never had engine issues like the Reaches have. No turbo issues like Sprinters have. It can't compete with the 700 or 900 for room but it was a major improvement over the various vans we had before the Z van came out in '78 or so. The Z van had issues but was great to drive and deliver out of.
Barksdale might have cared about people but he was a company killer.
He just about killed us with his revolutionary vision known as Zapmail.
He cared so much for the employees of McCaw Cellular that plenty lost their job when they were bought out and Barksdale became wealthy as a result.
Then he goes to Netscape. It struggles and is finally taken over by AOL and plenty more lose their job. Oh yea, Barksdale got a 700 million $ windfall in that deal.
The company could have let you design and van and decide what planes to buy and you still wouldn't be happy. Misery and despair is all you know. The company is much better off without you.
Oldfart
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They would have been smart to have you and MFE have a direct line to HQ to tell them how to run the company. The business plan they have will never work. What person thinks you can deliver a package going from Detroit to Cincinnati by flying it to Memphis? They must be crazy, that idea will never work.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
First time I completely agree with something you've posted.
Oldfart
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You will soon be on ignore or completely banned from this forum. Might want to reconsider your post.
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
I left. You two are still there. And I'm pretty damned happy.
Fred's Myth
Nonhyphenated American
The statement came from him, and I reflected it back onto him.
I have no quarrel with you, except I find you too intense. Shalom!
MrFedEx
Engorged Member
BS. The Z vans were complete crap. The A380 would have been an even bigger mistake. Fred could have gone with either the 757 or 767 way earlier. Instead, he bought POS A300's and A340's, also parked in the desert or flying for someone else.
When you learn something about aircraft and vehicles, get back to us.
In the meantime, two words about your hero:
Otto Warmbier.
TNT Frosty
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Oh dear lord... airplane talk by truckers xD
theres a whole reason for airbus A380s not being A380F's... cost... to fill an A380 with the cost required to fill, and maintain, we would be losing more then the 5% then we currently are; and airbus isnt nor have they suggested that the A380s have the friend class to them.
(also note, airbus is shutting down the A380 production, for more faster, more compact and higher range planes)
Planes can only hold X amount of weight, and so no matter how much you jam into a plane, you wont be able to lift off at a reasonable rate for airfields, nor land.
The AN-225 (Antonov) is an owner operator, so to speak, and charges high rates, even though it can never be filled, but in order for this to happen, they have a team of 6 on board, and to fly from Denmark to Kazakhstan would set you around $300,000 one way.
Now for a little more, numbers game here...
Boeing 757; Cargo hold = 8440.21 cubic foot /// max payload of 87,700 lb /// cruising speed of 593mph /// range of 3625 miles
Airbus A300; Cargo hold = 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 106,000 lb /// cruising speed of 541mph /// range of 4598 miles
now its all about a numbers game here, and with aircraft of having such a short life span, they go from passenger planes (most profits) to cargo planes, however, companies like to buy in bulk.. bulk = discount.. discount on an already... and due to the cost of flying parcels, most if not all, expect to be losing money regardless, but to maximize the bottom line... trucks/vans (ground movement).. air movement is just to please the masses, and to bring on more contracts,
For example, (lets pick a big one).. Amazon, lets say, they looking for a company who can do next day delivery or over night, for sam and sarah, who live in NY, but the item they buy is in LA on the amazon store, now if they could get the same item for the same price, at a cheaper delivery rate from a closer/competitor.. would they stick with amazon.. of course not...
Now with amazon also having warehouses all over, and the same item at each.. maybe this one item isnt there, well.. the customer still expects it next day.. and they dont just need a next day cross country, they also looking for a trucking company that can do local... well.. cheaper to find the same service for them, in the same market (air and ground)....
Im surprised but not surprised FedEx doesnt start or look at shipping, going the cargo boat route as well... and rent out container space etc.. slower, but there is profits there, and would of set the 5% the aircraft do...
Anyone else want to learn more about aircraft/truck/ships... (sorry, im a nerd, and as a kid, transport just interests me big time, and still does, even bought the american version double trailer for my model train set)
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Edit; To go with MrFedEx correction
Airbus A310(FedEx conversion/with statute range); Cargo hold 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 80,000 lb /// cruising speed of 541mph /// range of 3500 miles....
(This is all with FedExStatute numbers, as my above were the max, and what airbus and boeing have stated is the max numbers possible)
Airbus A310; Cargo hold 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 90,000 lb /// cruising speed of 528mph /// range of 3600 miles....
Please also note.. the A300 and the A310, the main difference is being that the A310 is slight smaller and with just 2 cargo doors, no sleeping quarters for the pilots as there's only 2 seats, and so only 2 people on the plane, and for FAA, 2 pilots must be awake facing the small window)
A3xx range of planes stopped being produced in 2007 (B1, B2, B4, 600, 310, 330, 340)
theres a whole reason for airbus A380s not being A380F's... cost... to fill an A380 with the cost required to fill, and maintain, we would be losing more then the 5% then we currently are; and airbus isnt nor have they suggested that the A380s have the friend class to them.
(also note, airbus is shutting down the A380 production, for more faster, more compact and higher range planes)
Planes can only hold X amount of weight, and so no matter how much you jam into a plane, you wont be able to lift off at a reasonable rate for airfields, nor land.
The AN-225 (Antonov) is an owner operator, so to speak, and charges high rates, even though it can never be filled, but in order for this to happen, they have a team of 6 on board, and to fly from Denmark to Kazakhstan would set you around $300,000 one way.
Now for a little more, numbers game here...
Boeing 757; Cargo hold = 8440.21 cubic foot /// max payload of 87,700 lb /// cruising speed of 593mph /// range of 3625 miles
Airbus A300; Cargo hold = 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 106,000 lb /// cruising speed of 541mph /// range of 4598 miles
now its all about a numbers game here, and with aircraft of having such a short life span, they go from passenger planes (most profits) to cargo planes, however, companies like to buy in bulk.. bulk = discount.. discount on an already... and due to the cost of flying parcels, most if not all, expect to be losing money regardless, but to maximize the bottom line... trucks/vans (ground movement).. air movement is just to please the masses, and to bring on more contracts,
For example, (lets pick a big one).. Amazon, lets say, they looking for a company who can do next day delivery or over night, for sam and sarah, who live in NY, but the item they buy is in LA on the amazon store, now if they could get the same item for the same price, at a cheaper delivery rate from a closer/competitor.. would they stick with amazon.. of course not...
Now with amazon also having warehouses all over, and the same item at each.. maybe this one item isnt there, well.. the customer still expects it next day.. and they dont just need a next day cross country, they also looking for a trucking company that can do local... well.. cheaper to find the same service for them, in the same market (air and ground)....
Im surprised but not surprised FedEx doesnt start or look at shipping, going the cargo boat route as well... and rent out container space etc.. slower, but there is profits there, and would of set the 5% the aircraft do...
Anyone else want to learn more about aircraft/truck/ships... (sorry, im a nerd, and as a kid, transport just interests me big time, and still does, even bought the american version double trailer for my model train set)
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Edit; To go with MrFedEx correction
Airbus A310(FedEx conversion/with statute range); Cargo hold 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 80,000 lb /// cruising speed of 541mph /// range of 3500 miles....
(This is all with FedExStatute numbers, as my above were the max, and what airbus and boeing have stated is the max numbers possible)
Airbus A310; Cargo hold 13822.16 cubic foot /// max payload of 90,000 lb /// cruising speed of 528mph /// range of 3600 miles....
Please also note.. the A300 and the A310, the main difference is being that the A310 is slight smaller and with just 2 cargo doors, no sleeping quarters for the pilots as there's only 2 seats, and so only 2 people on the plane, and for FAA, 2 pilots must be awake facing the small window)
A3xx range of planes stopped being produced in 2007 (B1, B2, B4, 600, 310, 330, 340)
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MrFedEx
Engorged Member
Correction: A310
59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
Yeah, you sound happy.
TNT Frosty
Well-Known Member
added in the A310 as an edit below to my above post... dont know if I should add in the cost per aircraft
, as well, the 310 was the 300, just once removed all the un-needed stuff, it shrunk a bit and so became the A310And the Boeing 757 stopped being produced in 2004
The boeing 777 seems to be the way to go, but boy they are costly, but do hold alot of cargo and longer range.
240,000lbs of freight
5600miles
can hold 10ft high pallets
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59 Dano
I just want to make friends!
There's no telling how much great business advice he's missed out on.
Then there is NO reason for you to be on this board unless all you are is a troll.
It will be fine
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I might run some daily operations ideas past my drivers but I can’t imagine asking their advice for business decisions like equipment purchases. Why would they have any insight on that?
Are those the favors that you perform on YOUR knees for your stations management team???
