Beards

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by OKLABob, Nov 7, 2019.

  1. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    It's their company, and you chose to work for them.

    You knew their policy when you signed on. And now you want it changed.

    Nothing wrong with trying to change it, but don't get your hopes up.

    Correct.

    And it's not just my reasoning. It's the law.

    And I just happen to agree with the law.

    Nope.

    I don't agree with everything in the contract, but I enforce it.

    I also agree that a company has the right to enforce a dress code, as they see fit, to any of their employees who are seen by the public.

    My opinion on beards doesn't matter.

    Now you're starting to sound ridiculous.

    The courts have pretty much already decided how far a company can go.

    No, they can't tell you that you have to shave your eyebrows.

    They can't tell you you have to straighten or whiten your teeth.

    They can't tell you that you cannot wear glasses.

    But, they can tell you that you cannot have a beard, or mustache.

    They can tell you you cannot have any facial jewelry.

    They can tell you you cannot have any facial tattoos.

    They can tell you your hair had to be above your ears and off your collar.
     
  2. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    did you not know the requirements when you were hired?

    if you feel so strongly about this then you need to negotiate for it

    otherwise quit whining
     
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  3. tourists24

    tourists24 Well-Known Member

    It may be company policy, but the company isn’t enforcing the policy. So grow the beard if you like. You get paid the same
     
  4. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Legally, under HIPAA regulations, your supervisor or Center Manager is not allowed to ask you if you have a medical waiver for your beard.
     
  5. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    Their plan now, is they want us looking like bearded hobos. That way, when they replace us with bearded hobos (for 1/3 the cost) , people won't think anything of it.
     
  6. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    You're falling for their trap. Next, they will be paying you like an amazon driver
     
  7. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    I'll have to see evidence of these court decisions. There is nothing fundamentally different about any of the appearance issues I brought up. Why are some things ok to require, and others not? The question is, if the company did require appearance standards that you found intolerable, would you still affirm their right to set that standard, or would you advocate to revoke it?

    I do know, acknowledge, and follow the guidelines. I am advocating for change, and don't think it's something the union needs to spend bargaining leverage on, especially since there are already ways around it if someone does feel strongly about it. To me it is something the company needs to acknowledge they are wrong about.

    What whining have I done?
     
  8. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Of course he did. And he accepted the job with all the requirements.
     
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  9. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Keep it clean
     
  10. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    You mean like not being able to have a beard?
     
  11. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Still a few years off. I will reward my employees for creative facial hair, and they will appreciate my recognition of their agency over their bodies.
     
  12. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    No, I said a standard you found intolerable.
     
  13. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    If you think you can change it then go on with your bad self
     
  14. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Whether I think I can or not, I will keep trying.
     
  15. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    There aren't any for $100,000 a year job.

    I can live without a beard, mustache, facial jewelry, facial tattoos, and long hair.

    But if I couldn't live without a beard, and found it intolerable, I wouldn't have taken the job.
     
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  16. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Forced shaving is symbolic castration. Masculinity is a problem for those who would try to control others. It's a way for insecure control freaks to establish dominance over people they have no respect for. Those of you who are ok with it ought understand the real reason they do it. It's not about professional appearance, it's about you admitting and accepting that they have made you their beyotch.

    Employers who respect their employees don't need to put on these little shows of established dominance.
     
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  17. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    lemme guess

    you’re a millennial
     
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  18. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    while your at it I’d have them get rid
    of those crappy brown uniforms you should be able to wear whatever you’d like
     
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  19. Poop Head

    Poop Head Lovin' every minute of it!

    It is absolutely about professional appearance.
     
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  20. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    They are changing them next year, didn't you hear?
    Uniforms and dress codes aren't an overreach into my personal life, but I do oppose employers making employees pay for uniforms, so I appreciate the union holding the line there. And no, not a millenial. Closer to Gen X, but I actually don't fall within the "official" year range for either.