Biden and the Radical Left

[rickyb]

Nothing saying they have to do any of it. There'd be a lot less to do if we weren't involved in military actions across the globe. I thought you were against war. Why do you want the president to be busy if you are against war?

whats the point of paying for a represenative if they dont represent your interests.

also im not sure how the presidents spend their time. im against hte wars so golf>war

 

[rickyb]

How much do you think it'll cost to get China to stop polluting?

less than it costs if they keep doing it.

ive thought of this before and your comment about paying the presidents to not do anything reminded me of it. its of course my idea.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

whats the point of paying for a represenative if they dont represent your interests.

also im not sure how the presidents spend their time. im against hte wars so golf>war

TLDR version:
The best government is that which governs least.


"It is under the word government, that the subtle danger lurks. Understood as a central consolidated power, managing and directing the various general interests of the society, all government is evil, and the parent of evil.

A strong and active democratic government, in the common sense of the term, is an evil, differing only in degree and mode of operation, and not in nature, from a strong despotism. This difference is certainly vast, yet, inasmuch as these strong governmental powers must be wielded by human agents, even as the powers of the despotism, it is, after all, only a difference in degree; and the tendency to demoralization and tyranny is the same, though the development of the evil results is much more gradual and slow in the one case than in the other. Hence the demagogue – hence the faction – hence the mob – hence the violence, licentiousness, and instability – hence the ambitious struggles of parties and their leaders for power – hence the abuses of that power by majorities and their leaders – hence the indirect oppressions of the general by partial interests – hence (fearful symptom) the demoralization of the great men of the nation, and of the nation itself, proceeding, unless checked in time by the more healthy and patriotic portion of the mind of the nation rallying itself to reform the principles and sources of the evil) gradually to that point of maturity at which relief from the tumult of moral and physical confusion is to be found only under the shelter of an energetic armed despotism.

The best government is that which governs least. No human depositories can, with safety, be trusted with the power of legislation upon the general interests of society so as to operate directly or indirectly on the industry and property of the community. Such power must be perpetually liable to the most pernicious abuse, from the natural imperfection, both in wisdom of judgment and purity of purpose, of all human legislation, exposed constantly to the pressure of partial interests; interests which, at the same time that they are essentially selfish and tyrannical, are ever vigilant, persevering, and subtle in all the arts of deception and corruption.

In fact, the whole history of human society and government may be safely appealed to, in evidence that the abuse of such power a thousand fold more than overbalances its beneficial use. Legislation has been the fruitful parent of nine-tenths of all the evil, moral and physical, by which mankind has been afflicted since the creation of the world, and by which human nature has been self-degraded, fettered, and oppressed.

Government should have as little as possible to do with the general business and interests of the people. If it once undertake these functions as its rightful province of action, it is impossible to say to it ‘thus far shalt thou go, and no farther.’ It will be impossible to confine it to the public interests of the commonwealth. It will be perpetually tampering with private interests, and sending forth seeds of corruption which will result in the demoralization of the society.

Its domestic action should be confined to the administration of justice, for the protection of the natural equal rights of the citizen and the preservation of social order. In all other respects, the voluntary principle, the principle of freedom, suggested to us by the analogy of the divine government of the Creator, and already recognized by us with perfect success in the great social interest of Religion, affords the true ‘golden rule’ which is alone abundantly competent to work out the best possible general result of order and happiness from that chaos of characters, ideas, motives, and interests – human society.

Afford but the single nucleus of a system of administration of justice between man and man, and, under the sure operation of this principle, the floating atoms will distribute and combine themselves, as we see in the beautiful natural process of crystallization, into a far more perfect and harmonious result than if the government, with its ‘fostering hand,’ undertake to disturb, under the plea of directing, the process. The natural laws which will establish themselves and find their own level are the best laws. The same hand was the Author of the moral, as of the physical world; and we feel clear and strong in the assurance that we cannot err in trusting, in the former, to the same fundamental principles of spontaneous action and self-regulation which produce the beautiful order of the latter."

-United States Magazine and Democratic Review. 1837

 

[rickyb]

TLDR version:
The best government is that which governs least.


"It is under the word government, that the subtle danger lurks. Understood as a central consolidated power, managing and directing the various general interests of the society, all government is evil, and the parent of evil.

A strong and active democratic government, in the common sense of the term, is an evil, differing only in degree and mode of operation, and not in nature, from a strong despotism. This difference is certainly vast, yet, inasmuch as these strong governmental powers must be wielded by human agents, even as the powers of the despotism, it is, after all, only a difference in degree; and the tendency to demoralization and tyranny is the same, though the development of the evil results is much more gradual and slow in the one case than in the other. Hence the demagogue – hence the faction – hence the mob – hence the violence, licentiousness, and instability – hence the ambitious struggles of parties and their leaders for power – hence the abuses of that power by majorities and their leaders – hence the indirect oppressions of the general by partial interests – hence (fearful symptom) the demoralization of the great men of the nation, and of the nation itself, proceeding, unless checked in time by the more healthy and patriotic portion of the mind of the nation rallying itself to reform the principles and sources of the evil) gradually to that point of maturity at which relief from the tumult of moral and physical confusion is to be found only under the shelter of an energetic armed despotism.

The best government is that which governs least. No human depositories can, with safety, be trusted with the power of legislation upon the general interests of society so as to operate directly or indirectly on the industry and property of the community. Such power must be perpetually liable to the most pernicious abuse, from the natural imperfection, both in wisdom of judgment and purity of purpose, of all human legislation, exposed constantly to the pressure of partial interests; interests which, at the same time that they are essentially selfish and tyrannical, are ever vigilant, persevering, and subtle in all the arts of deception and corruption.

In fact, the whole history of human society and government may be safely appealed to, in evidence that the abuse of such power a thousand fold more than overbalances its beneficial use. Legislation has been the fruitful parent of nine-tenths of all the evil, moral and physical, by which mankind has been afflicted since the creation of the world, and by which human nature has been self-degraded, fettered, and oppressed.

Government should have as little as possible to do with the general business and interests of the people. If it once undertake these functions as its rightful province of action, it is impossible to say to it ‘thus far shalt thou go, and no farther.’ It will be impossible to confine it to the public interests of the commonwealth. It will be perpetually tampering with private interests, and sending forth seeds of corruption which will result in the demoralization of the society.

Its domestic action should be confined to the administration of justice, for the protection of the natural equal rights of the citizen and the preservation of social order. In all other respects, the voluntary principle, the principle of freedom, suggested to us by the analogy of the divine government of the Creator, and already recognized by us with perfect success in the great social interest of Religion, affords the true ‘golden rule’ which is alone abundantly competent to work out the best possible general result of order and happiness from that chaos of characters, ideas, motives, and interests – human society.

Afford but the single nucleus of a system of administration of justice between man and man, and, under the sure operation of this principle, the floating atoms will distribute and combine themselves, as we see in the beautiful natural process of crystallization, into a far more perfect and harmonious result than if the government, with its ‘fostering hand,’ undertake to disturb, under the plea of directing, the process. The natural laws which will establish themselves and find their own level are the best laws. The same hand was the Author of the moral, as of the physical world; and we feel clear and strong in the assurance that we cannot err in trusting, in the former, to the same fundamental principles of spontaneous action and self-regulation which produce the beautiful order of the latter."

-United States Magazine and Democratic Review. 1837

nonsense.

who wrote this?

 

[zubenelgenubi]

less than it costs if they keep doing it.

ive thought of this before and your comment about paying the presidents to not do anything reminded me of it. its of course my idea.

If you are prepared for a world plunged into the stone age, which is what I think most leftists want, even if they haven't realized it yet, then you do you. I like being able to eat every day, have clean water, be able to flush my bodily waste away to be sanitarily treated.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

nonsense.

who wrote this?

This is the sort of thinking the US was founded on. It's a bit optimistic, probably, but way less than people who think socialism will work.

 

[rickyb]

If you are prepared for a world plunged into the stone age, which is what I think most leftists want, even if they haven't realized it yet, then you do you. I like being able to eat every day, have clean water, be able to flush my bodily waste away to be sanitarily treated.

even if what ur saying is true, the cost of pollution is worse than stone age.

 

[rickyb]

This is the sort of thinking the US was founded on. It's a bit optimistic, probably, but way less than people who think socialism will work.

well the founders were against popular democracy and set up all kinds of mechanisms to subvert it.

 

[1989]

This is the sort of thinking the US was founded on. It's a bit optimistic, probably, but way less than people who think socialism will work.

The US is socialist

 

[zubenelgenubi]

even if what ur saying is true, the cost of pollution is worse than stone age.

Good luck with that.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

well the founders were against popular democracy and set up all kinds of mechanisms to subvert it.

Popular democracy is a terrible idea.

 

[El Correcto]

even if what ur saying is true, the cost of pollution is worse than stone age.

Yeah that’s why all the dinosaurs still died off.
Ricky natural pollution is totally a thing and the climate of the planet has changed with and without industrialized society on it.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

The US is socialist

Only if you use the wrong definition of "socialist". What most people call socialism by our government is a capitalism subsidized welfare state.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

well the founders were against popular democracy and set up all kinds of mechanisms to subvert it.

Actually that article is from a publication that believed in jacksonian democracy, you might want to look it up kiddo.

 

[rickyb]

Only if you use the wrong definition of "socialist". What most people call socialism by our government is a capitalism subsidized welfare state.

state capitalism.

 

[rickyb]

Yeah that’s why all the dinosaurs still died off.
Ricky natural pollution is totally a thing and the climate of the planet has changed with and without industrialized society on it.

yea but its human caused because of our inefficient economic system.

were talking extinction event this century instead who knows how long into the future.

 

[rickyb]

Good luck with that.

its actually your theory which requires the luck.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Actually that article is from a publication that believed in jacksonian democracy, you might want to look it up kiddo.

Andrew Jackson did the trail of tears, that makes him an evil genocider. #rosaparksonthetwenty.

 

[rickyb]

Good luck with that.

its actually your theory which requires the luck.

 

[rickyb]

Andrew Jackson did the trail of tears, that makes him an evil genocider. #rosaparksonthetwenty.

typical.