Chicago-12K/Year-Free Money! Will It Work?

[El Correcto]

chile i know off the top of my head was directly interferred with by US govt for the worse as usual

Tends to happen when you socialize private industry. It’s one thing to buyout the foreign investors in your country, but when you steal their private property at the ballot box people tend to retaliate, usually with sanctions and branding your government as thieves.

 

[olroadbeech]

welfare state.

great. just take my pension and SS to give it to the lazy.

 

[El Correcto]

welfare state.

great. just take my pension and SS to give it to the lazy.

Your SS is being taken from me and given to the ones who didn’t earn it.

Have fun old timer crying about socialism and stealing from the working class.

 

[1989]

youre one to talk

You do nothing but compain. Start helping and stop hindering.

 

[pickup]

$1000 a month free cash for the poor. Will this work?

Mayoral task force: Pay struggling Chicagoans $1K a month

That’s gonna be the monthly max central states monthly payout when they run out of room to move the fan from the excrement moving towards it.

 

[Wally]

That’s gonna be the monthly max central states monthly payout when they run out of room to move the fan from the excrement moving towards it.

Plus, the retirement age will be 70.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Socialism is the only economic model that requires the existence of ultra-wealthy people. The very people that proponents of socialism villify. Ask any socialist how they will pay for their programs. Socialism simply can't even be considered until capitalism creates extremely wealthy people. But that should be the incentive for captialists to make sure the working class is appropriately compensated for their labor.

 

[rickyb]

You do nothing but compain. Start helping and stop hindering.

ive done more than you have.

 

[rickyb]

Socialism is the only economic model that requires the existence of ultra-wealthy people. The very people that proponents of socialism villify. Ask any socialist how they will pay for their programs. Socialism simply can't even be considered until capitalism creates extremely wealthy people. But that should be the incentive for captialists to make sure the working class is appropriately compensated for their labor.

wrong

 

[It will be fine]

Socialism is the only economic model that requires the existence of ultra-wealthy people. The very people that proponents of socialism villify. Ask any socialist how they will pay for their programs. Socialism simply can't even be considered until capitalism creates extremely wealthy people. But that should be the incentive for captialists to make sure the working class is appropriately compensated for their labor.

Venezuela paid for their programs by seizing the oil industry. Their system collapsed when the price of oil fell combined with rampant corruption. It worked well when oil was sky high, they just squandered the wealth and failed to develop a sustainable system. It had nothing to do with taxing rich people.

 

[1989]

ive done more than you have.

Since thanksgiving

1) Toys for tots
2) homeless meals/housing
3) low income heat assistance
4) elderly home repairs from recent storms.

Spring we are starting new programs.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

Venezuela paid for their programs by seizing the oil industry. Their system collapsed when the price of oil fell combined with rampant corruption. It worked well when oil was sky high, they just squandered the wealth and failed to develop a sustainable system. It had nothing to do with taxing rich people.

How would you pay for the social programs you want in the US? How is seizing an industry any different than taxing the people who would have profitted off of it? Besides precipitating catastrophe that much faster?

wrong

Prove it.

 

[rickyb]

How would you pay for the social programs you want in the US? How is seizing an industry any different than taxing the people who would have profitted off of it? Besides precipitating catastrophe that much faster?



Prove it.

socialism has a variety of definitions, so perhaps your definition qualifies, but to me socialism is worker control of jobs and to be even more democratic it would include community input of hte decisions at work as well. what we have now is not worker control of jobs, we have minority capitalist control with little community input.

 

[rickyb]

Since thanksgiving

1) Toys for tots
2) homeless meals/housing
3) low income heat assistance
4) elderly home repairs from recent storms.

Spring we are starting new programs.

thats great but thats all charity. and how much have you donated personally? im pushing $10,000 of my dough and i wasnt middle class most of the time.

a society which has more justice needs less charity - ralph nader.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

socialism has a variety of definitions, so perhaps your definition qualifies, but to me socialism is worker control of jobs and to be even more democratic it would include community input of hte decisions at work as well. what we have now is not worker control of jobs, we have minority capitalist control with little community input.

I think you are conflating socialism and communism. In socialism the government owns the means of production, and we have plenty of examples to show how that doesn't work with devastating effects. In communism the workers own the means of production, and that also ends in catastrophe.

 

[rickyb]

I think you are conflating socialism and communism. In socialism the government owns the means of production, and we have plenty of examples to show how that doesn't work with devastating effects. In communism the workers own the means of production, and that also ends in catastrophe.

yea i get them confused myself. but socialism as far as i know is definitely not the govt owning the jobs. you can look up noam chomsky and see what he says, ive done it before.

capitalism and govt socialism youre talking about have lots in common which is why they both fail miserably.

where has worker control failed? everyone promotes it constantly. to me its just common sense: take power from the few to the many.

 

[zubenelgenubi]

thats great but thats all charity. and how much have you donated personally? im pushing $10,000 of my dough and i wasnt middle class most of the time.

a society which has more justice needs less charity - ralph nader.

The great thing about charity is it is volutary, and you get to decide which causes and how much to contribute. With government enforced charity, which is the sort of hybrid social/capitalist system we are closer to, you don't have much choice of anything.

 

[rickyb]

The great thing about charity is it is volutary, and you get to decide which causes and how much to contribute. With government enforced charity, which is the sort of hybrid social/capitalist system we are closer to, you don't have much choice of anything.

govt is supposed to be representative of the peoples interests.

i forgot about the use of force issue which youre referring to. chris hedges is in favor of non violence, but not necessarily a pacifist. maybe markets would work if they were actually tried, but i honestly dont think people with big money truly believe in a free market. plus capitalism naturally drives towards monopolies. i am very concerned with abuses of power and i know where i stand on that.

 

[vantexan]

Venezuela paid for their programs by seizing the oil industry. Their system collapsed when the price of oil fell combined with rampant corruption. It worked well when oil was sky high, they just squandered the wealth and failed to develop a sustainable system. It had nothing to do with taxing rich people.

Their oil industry also fell apart because people who don't know how to manage oil fields took over. Combine that with the development of fracking in the States, Venezuela's top customer, and they were doomed. Their government may not have taxed the rich to death, but they also highly regulated all business and made it difficult to turn a profit. The result was a lot of educated Venezuelans left, and left primarily the very poor and uneducated who were dependent on government payments and not much to spend it on.

 

[rickyb]

Their oil industry also fell apart because people who don't know how to manage oil fields took over. Combine that with the development of fracking in the States, Venezuela's top customer, and they were doomed. Their government may not have taxed the rich to death, but they also highly regulated all business and made it difficult to turn a profit. The result was a lot of educated Venezuelans left, and left primarily the very poor and uneducated who were dependent on government payments and not much to spend it on.

oil industry shouldnt be privatized at all.

the private owners currently running it in america are conspiring with automakers to keep us using their ancient technology instead of the most efficient of all which is public transit. in addition, you cant reasonably expect them to transition off of oil in time to stop the climate catastrophe.