Ft. Hood

wkmac

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:happy-very:

Ain't it funny how so many "good christian folk" think the other guy's religion acts the idiot and fool. All one has to do is "Let the Bodies Hit the Floor" and then tell me that christians can't be suckered into pipedreams, fairy tales and yes, even extremism.

Que it up Benny!

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The hell with spares, STEEEEEEE-RIKE!!!!!!

:rofl:
 

knightablaze

Active Member
Those minutes barry spent giving a "shout out " to that CMH winner was another blunder , the guy had received a Presidental Medal of Freedom by none other than barry. Another fine example of his lack of understanding.
Had Bush made that error every media outlet would be calling him a buffoon .

You fail at the comprehension of time. President Obama's opening remarks at the Tribal Nations Conference occurred at about 10:30 am CST whereas the Fort Hood shooting occurred around 1:30 pm CST.

Go fail some more, it makes my day.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
You fail at the comprehension of time. President Obama's opening remarks at the Tribal Nations Conference occurred at about 10:30 am CST whereas the Fort Hood shooting occurred around 1:30 pm CST.

Go fail some more, it makes my day.

No you are wrong.
He spoke for nearly two minutes giving "thank yous" to a conference crew as if he were receiving some award that they helped him in achieving. Then he spoke about what happened at Fort Hood. I listened to it live over the radio, and the radio station keep playing it all day for they too were shocked at his behavior.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
http://www.nbcchicago.com/news/politics/A-Disconnected-President.html
Updated 2:56 PM CST, Fri, Nov 6, 2009

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President Obama didn't wait long after Tuesday's devastating elections to give critics another reason to question his leadership, but this time the subject matter was more grim than a pair of governorships.
After news broke out of the shooting at the Fort Hood Army post in Texas, the nation watched in horror as the toll of dead and injured climbed. The White House was notified immediately and by late afternoon, word went out that the president would speak about the incident prior to a previously scheduled appearance. At about 5 p.m., cable stations went to the president. The situation called for not only his trademark eloquence, but also grace and perspective.
But instead of a somber chief executive offering reassuring words and expressions of sympathy and compassion, viewers saw a wildly disconnected and inappropriately light president [video=youtube;T0hiw8iXdMM]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T0hiw8iXdMM[/video]. At the event, a Tribal Nations Conference hosted by the Department of Interior's Bureau of Indian affairs, the president thanked various staffers and offered a "shout-out" to "Dr. Joe Medicine Crow -- that Congressional Medal of Honor winner." Three minutes in, the president spoke about the shooting, in measured and appropriate terms. Who is advising him?
Anyone at home aware of the major news story of the previous hours had to have been stunned. An incident like this requires a scrapping of the early light banter. The president should apologize for the tone of his remarks, explain what has happened, express sympathy for those slain and appeal for calm and patience until all the facts are in. That's the least that should occur.
 

klein

Für Meno :)
Why aren't the handguns purchased by him the day prior, just a block away, not mentioned on this thread ?
Might be another topic.
But, any islamic American has the right, by constitution, to buy them.

Got to wonder now, how easy it is for Al Quaida, and the moles, to fully take advantage of that.
 

tieguy

Banned
Why aren't the handguns purchased by him the day prior, just a block away, not mentioned on this thread ?
Might be another topic.
But, any islamic American has the right, by constitution, to buy them.

Got to wonder now, how easy it is for Al Quaida, and the moles, to fully take advantage of that.

not sure a soldier buying handguns is ever going to attract a lot of attention.
 

klein

Für Meno :)
not sure a soldier buying handguns is ever going to attract a lot of attention.

Does it matter ? He could be a cab driver, or part of a cleaning crew.
Buying guns does not attract attention, or does it ?
All you need is a clean record.
 
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Dis-organized Labor

Guest
Why aren't the handguns purchased by him the day prior, just a block away, not mentioned on this thread ?
Might be another topic.
But, any islamic American has the right, by constitution, to buy them.

Got to wonder now, how easy it is for Al Quaida, and the moles, to fully take advantage of that.

I'm glad you made this post. I could not find any news source that describewhat type & how many guns were used.
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
Check out yahoo.ca

Was yesterdays news.
2 handguns, purchased the day before.

Really a non issue. If he had no prior criminal convictions then there was very little to stop him from purchasing those weapons. Most weapons used in crimes are purchased illegally, not legally.
 

klein

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Yes , Brett.
But, darnit twice in a row for mass shootings ?
Orlando guy bought his right where he used to work !

ORLANDO, Fla. - A gunman opened fire Friday in the offices of an engineering firm where he was let go more than two years ago, authorities said, killing one person and injuring five others.
Jason Rodriguez, 40, surrendered about three hours later, after officers saw him through the window of his mother's home and asked him to come outside, Orlando Police Chief Val Demings said.
Asked by a reporter outside the police station why he did it, he replied: "Because they left me to rot."

Demings said Rodriguez brought a handgun to the firm in a downtown office tower where he once worked as an engineer, but investigators are not sure what his motive was.
"This is a tragedy, no doubt about it, especially on the heels of the tragedy in Fort Hood that is on our minds," Demings said. "I'm just glad we don't have any more fatalities or any more injuries than we currently have."
Charles W. Price, an attorney who represented Rodriguez in a bankruptcy case, declined to comment.
Camille Previlon told The Associated Press her uncle, engineer Guy Lungenbel, was shot in the back and was able to talk but had not said much about the shooting.
"He is stable," she said. "He's just hurting real bad in the back."
 

brett636

Well-Known Member
Yes , Brett.
But, darnit twice in a row for mass shootings ?
Orlando guy bought his right where he used to work !

ORLANDO, Fla. - A gunman opened fire Friday in the offices of an engineering firm where he was let go more than two years ago, authorities said, killing one person and injuring five others.
Jason Rodriguez, 40, surrendered about three hours later, after officers saw him through the window of his mother's home and asked him to come outside, Orlando Police Chief Val Demings said.
Asked by a reporter outside the police station why he did it, he replied: "Because they left me to rot."

Demings said Rodriguez brought a handgun to the firm in a downtown office tower where he once worked as an engineer, but investigators are not sure what his motive was.
"This is a tragedy, no doubt about it, especially on the heels of the tragedy in Fort Hood that is on our minds," Demings said. "I'm just glad we don't have any more fatalities or any more injuries than we currently have."
Charles W. Price, an attorney who represented Rodriguez in a bankruptcy case, declined to comment.
Camille Previlon told The Associated Press her uncle, engineer Guy Lungenbel, was shot in the back and was able to talk but had not said much about the shooting.
"He is stable," she said. "He's just hurting real bad in the back."

Unfortunately, these people were crazy in their own right whether they were motivated by religious dogma or personal vendettas. They will find a way to accomplish their goals, and if a gun wasn't available I'm certain they would have found another means to their horrific ends. You can't stop crazy people from being crazy. All you can do is allow the non crazy people (read normal citizens) the means to protect themselves when these crazy people(read criminals, islamic jihadists, tyrants) show their true colors.
 

UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)

Well-Known Member
Yes , Brett.
But, darnit twice in a row for mass shootings ?
Orlando guy bought his right where he used to work !

ORLANDO, Fla. - A gunman opened fire Friday in the offices of an engineering firm where he was let go more than two years ago, authorities said, killing one person and injuring five others.
Jason Rodriguez, 40, surrendered about three hours later, after officers saw him through the window of his mother's home and asked him to come outside, Orlando Police Chief Val Demings said.
Asked by a reporter outside the police station why he did it, he replied: "Because they left me to rot."

Demings said Rodriguez brought a handgun to the firm in a downtown office tower where he once worked as an engineer, but investigators are not sure what his motive was.
"This is a tragedy, no doubt about it, especially on the heels of the tragedy in Fort Hood that is on our minds," Demings said. "I'm just glad we don't have any more fatalities or any more injuries than we currently have."
Charles W. Price, an attorney who represented Rodriguez in a bankruptcy case, declined to comment.
Camille Previlon told The Associated Press her uncle, engineer Guy Lungenbel, was shot in the back and was able to talk but had not said much about the shooting.
"He is stable," she said. "He's just hurting real bad in the back."

Klein, you are confusing the words "bought" and "brought" in your post. The report says that Rodriguez brought a handgun to his former place of employment. It does not say that he bought it there. There aren't many engineering firms in the US that sell firearms on the side.

This guy was a ticking time bomb simply waiting to go off. The warning signs were evident yet ignored. He will have a long time to think about his actions.
 

The Other Side

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Troll


AV8.

nice piece from a "piece". Just another right wing zealot trying to make a mountain out of a molehill.

He said this in his piece: "This was a terrorist act. When an extremist plans and executes a murderous plot against our unarmed soldiers to protest our efforts to counter Islamist fanatics, it’s an act of terror. Period".

Look at all the exagerations in this paragraph.

1) Terrorist act
2) Extremist
3) Plans and Executes
4) Murderous Plot
5) Unarmed Soldiers
6) protests our efforts
7) counter islamic fanatics


Seriously?

1) All acts of violence in this country are acts of TERROR. Why is it, that only american muslims get "tagged" with terrorists?

There have been many "christians" who have committed acts of TERROR in this country against innocent americans (abortion clinic bombings, OK bombing, olympic bombings, church burings etc etc..)

These acts have ALL been committed by hardcore Christians, does this mean that all american christians are terrorists??

Is every crime committed by a christian then considered an act of terror?

Should we consider right wing christian activists as a terror group?

2) This writer has labeled him an "extremist". Seriously? Under what definition? What had he done prior to be labeled an extremist? If there was any proof that he was an extremist, how did the military fail to detect and respond to this. If he was an extremist as "labeled", then the blame falls on the military for failing the american people and the service personel who lost their lives.

3) This writer states that this major "planned and executed" an act of terror. Again, Seriously? Where are the facts to support this claim? This was a simple act of "violence", random in commision.

4) Murderous plot? Possibly the outcome he was thinking but in no way a "planned" act with any accuracy. He had to know that "armed" personel would simply step in at some point and stop him.

5) There were many "ARMED" personel around the area, both military and civilian policemen. Yes, he shot at most of the personel without arms but he also shot POLICEMEN before being shot himself.

6) This writer claims that the reason for this shooting was to protest our efforts in Iraq and Afghanistan? Seriously? Where has this been established. It is a "FACT" that he did not want to deploy to the middle east and tried to communicate this to his superiors. Indeed, he (according to witnesses) did not believe in the efforts of our occupations in both countries, but his actions cannot be attributed to the wars themselves as the "facts" point to something different.

7) Why is every muslim who tries to defend their country called an islamic fanatic? If there was an occupying force on american soil moving across this country, would we not "all" try to defend this country from that force?

If that occupying force was on our soil trying to change the way we live our lives, wouldnt "we" fight to the last man?, and if so, would that make us all "fanatics"? How about terrorists?

The use of the words "islamic terrorists" or "islamic fanatics" is used to merely inflame the reader.

This article is merely a piece to INFLAME the reader into believing "non facts". Its intended for right wing readers who support the idea that all muslims are the evil of the earth. Its this kind of rhetorical nonsense that then goes on to cause other violence against innocent muslims living in this country.

The most typical person to take this article seriously would be the red neck with a gun and 100's of hours invested in Faux news.

Before any investigation has been completed, conducted or concluded, all the right wing nuts in broadcasting, print and radio have it all figured out.

An infiltrator made it into the US army, spent years of training on tax payers dollars only to have a net gain of 12 deaths among the thousands of soldiers and civilians on a military base on US soil.

What a plan!

Get serious AV8, you know nothing of human psychology.

In this country alone, the rate of suicide by psychologists and others in the same field are the HIGHEST in the world. Is it unusual for someone trained in psychiatry to kill themselves or commit an act of violence? NO.

I find it amazing how many people are jumping to a conclusion merely because a TV station and a political party is trying to take a tragedy and turn it into a political football to be kicked around.

AV8, next time, link something of value. I doubt that you can.

:peaceful:
 

The Other Side

Well-Known Troll
Troll
Klein, you are confusing the words "bought" and "brought" in your post. The report says that Rodriguez brought a handgun to his former place of employment. It does not say that he bought it there. There aren't many engineering firms in the US that sell firearms on the side.

This guy was a ticking time bomb simply waiting to go off. The warning signs were evident yet ignored. He will have a long time to think about his actions.


UPSTATE,

anyone with a gun in this country is a TICKING TIME BOMB waiting to go off.

There wouldnt be thousands of deaths by GUNS in this country if it were not true.

This countries facination with guns has exceeded all other countries on the face of the earth combined. We as a nation also kill more of our own citizens with "our" right to possess guns than all the other countries combined.

So, your statement rings true, allbeit, I dont think you really wanted to be so honest about it.

:peaceful:
 

over9five

Moderator
Staff member
The saddest part of all this is that all those dead and injured soldiers were not allowed to carry their weapons while off duty. Thank God most US citizens have that right.

If more citizens carried for self defense, there would be a lot less senseless rampages.
 

Jones

fILE A GRIEVE!
Staff member
The saddest part of all this is that all those dead and injured soldiers were not allowed to carry their weapons while off duty. Thank God most US citizens have that right.

If more citizens carried for self defense, there would be a lot less senseless rampages.
Those soldiers were all on duty, but I take your point. A big reason that soldiers are not allowed to take their weapons home with them is that you would have a lot of automatic weapons being stolen and sold to criminals.
 

klein

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Actually, on this 1 , I agree with 095.
Why just be allowed guns at home ?
Should be everywhere allowed.

At your workplace, in the car, or even just dining out, or going to a Zoo.
That amendment of the constitution shouldn't have boundaries.
 
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