Generation Snowflake Feeling Entitled

Fred's Myth

Nonhyphenated American
no no. ive worked toms of jobs where we know were being paid by the hour and want to have some fun.

capitalism doesn't incentivize worker productivity. workers pretend to work
Please elucidate and clarify the rationalization you use to blame capitalism for your complete lack of integrity...
 

sailfish

Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
employees often have no incentive to work harder. for example me and a coworker at the docks were doing donuts and he kicked a rock in the windshield. its not my car, im paid by the hour, and im unionized, so I don't care.
Lol. How about being able to command a higher wage? Whoops. Nevermind.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Lol. How about being able to command a higher wage? Whoops. Nevermind.
union handles that. wages in north America have been flat for decades adj for inflation, so theres no raise anyways.

working hard makes no difference, it just makes the capitalist more money. weren't upsers working hard, and the company gave you a :censored2: contract. theres no reward
 
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rickyb

Well-Known Member
Please elucidate and clarify the rationalization you use to blame capitalism for your complete lack of integrity...
your so brainwashed u cant even think for urself. just regurgitating propaganda.

ive worked tons of jobs where me and workers do the bare minimum and have as much fun as we can. this is bc capitalism has no incentive to work hard; were paid hourly.
 

Non sequitur

Well-Known Member
Agreed.

Please allow me to perfectly explain why socialism doesn't work:

There does NOT exist a fixed/static lump sum of wealth in the world that merely awaits distribution. Wealth can be created or destroyed (according to how efficiently human beings cooperate to produce wealth).

If the "pie" is unfairly looted by socialists and dispensed to their supporters (who did not create the pie), then guess what? It's a party (initially) until the pie runs out and nobody bakes a new pie.

Conversely, if the incentive to bake more pie is maintained through capitalism, then the pie can actually grow, which inevitably benefits poor people (for various reasons).

In other words, expanding the pie means one person getting rich does NOT mean someone else has to get poor.


Understand now, liberals? No, of course you don't!

I would say that the wealthy have a moral obligation to be generous to those in their communities. Think of the beautiful art institutes, parkland endowments, food banks, job training facilities, and many other positive "giving back" that many have and continue to do. Moral not legal.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
its true. guys always blame "communism" for workers having no incentive but the same is true for cfapitalism
In communism you accept what the state gives you. In capitalism you're free to work wherever they'll have you, improve your situation through hard work and acquired skills. What you seek is utopia, where you're provided with a very nice salary to obtain all that you desire with very little effort. And you'll probably resent having to make any effort.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
In communism you accept what the state gives you. In capitalism you're free to work wherever they'll have you, improve your situation through hard work and acquired skills. What you seek is utopia, where you're provided with a very nice salary to obtain all that you desire with very little effort. And you'll probably resent having to make any effort.
no I seek democracy. coops. worker self determination.

ppl improved their situation under slavery. its not unique to capitalism.

capitalism is too often a choice of which boss aka dictator treats you the best. our political system is not like that, why should our economic system be

the only utopian thinking here is thinking that your free under capitalism
 
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BrownFlush

Woke Racist Reigning Ban King
I would say that the wealthy have a moral obligation to be generous to those in their communities. Think of the beautiful art institutes, parkland endowments, food banks, job training facilities, and many other positive "giving back" that many have and continue to do. Moral not legal.

Don't forget , you owe your job to the wealthy who invested and took the chance with their capital to build the factories, mines, and railroads.

A poor man never once gave me a job.
 

rickyb

Well-Known Member
Don't forget , you owe your job to the wealthy who invested and took the chance with their capital to build the factories, mines, and railroads.

A poor man never once gave me a job.
poor ppl buy stuff. that creates jobs. poor ppl haven't ruined America, rich ppl have.

these guys are only wealthy bc somebodies poor
 

Non sequitur

Well-Known Member
What is freedom? What is good? If good exist then is the opposite true, evil exist? How do we describe fair? Does a system need to be in place to manage the defined good?
In Europe a few hundred years back it was illegal to advertise. It keeped most of the wealth very local. Word of mouth for extraordinary Talent would escape the local Market of course. No outsourcing to China. So your community would flourish under the right conditions: Skilled labor pool, healthy young motivated growing population. This model kind of went off the tracks and replaced with a phony bankers wealth creating model. It made money the definition of good.
 

sailfish

Master of Karate and Friendship for Everyone
union handles that. wages in north America have been flat for decades adj for inflation, so theres no raise anyways.

working hard makes no difference, it just makes the capitalist more money. weren't upsers working hard, and the company gave you a :censored2: contract. theres no reward
That's what I'm saying. Your wages are at the mercy of the union contract. If it wasn't for that, if a place doesn't want to give you the wage you command you tell them to go friend* themselves and you take your talent to someone who will.
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
What is freedom? What is good? If good exist then is the opposite true, evil exist? How do we describe fair? Does a system need to be in place to manage the defined good?
In Europe a few hundred years back it was illegal to advertise. It keeped most of the wealth very local. Word of mouth for extraordinary Talent would escape the local Market of course. No outsourcing to China. So your community would flourish under the right conditions: Skilled labor pool, healthy young motivated growing population. This model kind of went off the tracks and replaced with a phony bankers wealth creating model. It made money the definition of good.
That's a good thing ... right?
 

Old Man Jingles

Rat out of a cage
That's what I'm saying. Your wages are at the mercy of the union contract. If it wasn't for that, if a place doesn't want to give you the wage you command you tell them to go friend* themselves and you take your talent to someone who will.
Which is why many people don't care for Unions.
The Unions protect and help the 'lesser' 50% of the population.
 
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