UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
You can take 35 grand and give the rest to feed fedex couriers for Thanksgiving if that will make you feel better. Welcome back.
...or you could take steps to better your financial position...
You can take 35 grand and give the rest to feed fedex couriers for Thanksgiving if that will make you feel better. Welcome back.
Call me what you will----I personally feel that you are a joke and fear that a new courier will read your "advice" and lose their job----but I stand by what I said.
I will simplify this for you. Suppose you hire a neighborhood kid to mow your lawn. The two of you walk around the property so that he knows exactly what needs to be done. You propose and he agrees to be paid $10 every other week. After a few weeks the kid is talking to some of his friends who tell him that they are getting $20/week to do basically the same work. The kid comes to you and tells you what he heard. Do you offer to double his salary or do you stand by your initial agreement?
Ground drivers knew the deal coming in. The financial position of their employer is irrelevant. Should they be more generous? Absolutely. Should they be required to? Absolutely not----the personal assets of the owner of an LLC are irrelevant.
It's not a matter of generosity. My drivers who do more, do it safely, do it consistently, and help out when needed, make considerably more because they are worth more.
Suppose you hire a neighborhood kid to mow your lawn. The two of you walk around the property so that he knows exactly what needs to be done. You propose and he agrees to be paid $10 every other week. After a few weeks the kid is talking to some of his friends who tell him that they are getting $20/week to do basically the same work.
The problem with that argument is that ground drivers often do not know what their contemporaries are making at UPS or Express. They don't know that both receive benefits and both receive a pension in some form or another. Why is it fair to these people that they are doing essentially the same job but for far less pay, no benefits and no pension?
Blaine Gabbert does the same job as Peyton Manning for far less pay. Is that fair?
So out of curiosity, what is a courier worth to you? Not sure if you intended the comment to sound this way but reading this screams elitist to me...
The NFL is a league based on skill. The higher the skill level, the higher the pay. Apples and oranges.
MFE would call the kid a tatted-up lawn monkey cigarette-smoking Borat felon in flip-flops. He would follow that by complaining that the $10 guy doesn't use a trimmer even though the customer doesn't want it or need it, and then attempt to further assert his supremacy by bragging about his ability to operate a zero-turn mower-- something the $10 guy hasn't been trained to do. "You can't do my job!"
He would then go to LawnCafe.com and say that if you pay $10 for lawn service, you are a criminal and should go to jail for running an illegal scam.
Without answering anyone specifically let me just say this. The problem isn't that workers are demanding much more than they are worth. It's employers constantly pushing down wages and trimming benefits, seeking the lowest point that people will still stay to do the job, while seeking ever increasing productivity levels. They do this because they know in an economy like this they can get away with it because there are few options. And why? Is it because it's necessary? No, it's because they want as much money as possible for themselves. No matter the difficulty placed on their employees. The result being employees feel they are being squeezed in a vise. I never said employers should be made to do this. And this is naïveté on my part but they should do it because it's the right thing to do. Employees shouldn't be seeking a workers' paradise with fantastic pay and benefits for minimal effort. That'll ruin a company. But companies shouldn't go to the other extreme either, which is what is happening now in this country. There's nothing admirable about taking advantage of others, working them into the ground to make an extra buck or two for those that frankly don't need more than their already generous salaries. But the stock is where the big money is, so ruin people in pursuit of riches? Just plain wrong.
I couldn't agree more. Vote all the Republicans out of office so it can happen.
So out of curiosity, what is a courier worth to you? Not sure if you intended the comment to sound this way but reading this screams elitist to me...
...or you could take steps to better your financial position...
A courier is worth whatever the market will bear.
We've certainly seen how well the Democrats are running things.
Thank you, corporate apologist. How come we were worth more in the past, Dano Boy?