how can we be charged with an accident?

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by gray squirrel, Feb 26, 2009.

  1. gray squirrel

    gray squirrel Member

    Our drivers were informed recently that if we hit someones dog, in their driveway and the owners called in, we are charged with an accident. We were also told that since the driveways are now thawing, if we cause any type of damage with our trucks, to the owners driveways, we also get charged with an accident. Wow, really? So , if I am going down a long rural driveway, swerve to miss their dog, break a mirror, kill their dog, and damage the yard or driveway, is that three accidents? fired!!! Don't we have enough to worry about, time commits, pick up compliance, over 9.5 etc, etc, etc!!
  2. InTheRed

    InTheRed New Member

    I think every accident is reviewed and certainly a situation like the one you describe would have to be investigated for avoidability.

    Remember that an accident is defined as contact with another object (person, animal even) that results in damage or injury.
  3. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    Yes we do, but that won't stop BigBrown from piling up more.
  4. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Hit and kill a dog in the street--no problem.

    Hit and kill a dog in the driveway--accident.

    Damage a driveway due to spring thaw--accident.

    Break a mirror--tell the mechanic--most will replace w/o telling mgt
  5. trplnkl

    trplnkl 555

    I have reported mirror breakage to management and they told me to tell the mechanic. So, that's what I do.
  6. InTheRed

    InTheRed New Member

  7. tieguy

    tieguy Banned

    Stay out of the driveway and avoid three accidents.:happy-very:
  8. diesel96

    diesel96 New Member

    When in doubt walk it out..$$$$$$
  9. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    We have safety demos where we time the difference between walking a long driveway and driving in. It takes a really long driveway before it is faster than walking in (if it is not a circle drive.) If you have to pull ahead a little, than back again to get turned around, the driveway can be even longer and you are still saving time by walking.

    Lots of benefits to walking driveways: keeps bosses off your back, gets your heart rate up a little and stretches out your legs.

    In rural areas, you also have to think about parking safely by the road. If it is a narrow road, it is also a good idea to fold in the driver's side mirror (I do that about 4-6 times a day, does not take any extra time.)

    At our center, a broken mirror = preventable accident.

    Yard damage has been a preventable ever since I started driving. We have a couple every Spring it seems.

  10. brownmonster

    brownmonster Man of Great Wisdom

    Walk off all stops, work longer, grieve, get less stops. Make every decision the company makes about safety cost them production. They want safety and production but they can't have both.
  11. Paid-over-in-Maine

    Paid-over-in-Maine 15 more years of this!

    Thats the way my center operates.

    We had a guy kill a dog when it ran out under the REAR wheels. He didn't even see the thing. The owner said "He died doing the thing he loved the most"....He got charged with an avoidable

    We do the same demo, we have it in our demo book.

  12. Big Babooba

    Big Babooba Well-Known Member

  13. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    Broken mirrors are accidents if it is caused by a branch of something like that (in my center.) I broke 2 while adjusting, replaced, no accident.

  14. backinbrown

    backinbrown respect my authority

    Paid i had a bad feeling they would charge him with avoidable thats to bad

    also what of driver who was hit head on at 40 mph avoidable unavoidable?
  15. Paid-over-in-Maine

    Paid-over-in-Maine 15 more years of this!

    I'm not so sure that they have come back on that one..Can say for sure,
  16. backinbrown

    backinbrown respect my authority

    Is he driving yet
  17. rod

    rod retired and happy

    I could show you a half a dozen driveways that are a quarter to a half mile long. You won't yell at me if my SPH goes down while I'm out for stroll in the wood will you? It's NOT always as cut and dried as management would like to believe. :happy-very:
  18. Paid-over-in-Maine

    Paid-over-in-Maine 15 more years of this!

    A week from Monday.
  19. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    I walk a couple of really long ones. There is no place to turn around, so I would have to back all the way out. Trust your gut. If you think it could be bad news, don't take the chance.

    There was also a drive on a route I covered. It was almost a mile long. There was no place to turn around and they did a horrible job of plowing. I refused to deliver that address and a supe investigated and agreed.

  20. backinbrown

    backinbrown respect my authority

    No way would i back out but i am a good enough driver to back in a quarter mile even though i no better