How responsible are we for DR packages that go missing???

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by brown_trousers, Sep 4, 2011.

  1. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    I vaguely remember this subject being briefly discussed during driver training some 5 years ago. I'm just wondering if we are financially responsible for driver releasing a package, and then discovering that the package is stolen/missing. Anyone have any experiences with this?
  2. hurricanegunner

    hurricanegunner UPSPoop

    We are responsible for seeing to it that the package is out of sight/out of weather. If you have any doubts at all, don't leave the package.
  3. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    You could be financially responsible if it PROVEN to be a bad DR.
  4. scratch

    scratch Least Best Moderator Staff Member

    I have never paid for a single package and I have been delivering since 1984. I have heard of drivers doing stupid things like leaving packages in the rain with no DR bags on them. One guy I know got to make monthly payments on a mink coat because of that. Out of sight and out of weather means just that.
    Last edited: Sep 4, 2011
  5. ChadBrunn

    ChadBrunn Member

    This subject came up at a PCM. Our union steward said UPS cannot make you pay for a package that was a bad DR (weather or stolen)
  6. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Read your contract.

    Read the driver release certification.

    Your steward is wrong.
  7. upsgrunt

    upsgrunt Well-Known Member

    I've never paid for one either, and I've had some doozies in the early years.
  8. grgrcr88

    grgrcr88 No It's not green grocer!

    Article 10 of the National Master agreement should clear that up for you. Read it sometime.
  9. rocket man

    rocket man Well-Known Member

    if in doubt get it signed
  10. ChadBrunn

    ChadBrunn Member

    I'll look it up. Our steward is normally wrong.
  11. Cementups

    Cementups Box Monkey

    ^I had to "like" that. Found it quite funny.
  12. brown_trousers

    brown_trousers Active Member

    I've never actually received concrete rules regarding releasing packages, except of course that we can't DR to apartments, multi-unit housing, or businesses. I'm always a bit weary of releasing a package to a porch on a busy street, even if I can leave it out of site, I just feel a bit uneasy about it... especially with packages that look expensive like laptops or cell phones.
  13. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Talk about bad advice. Read your contract, but sign something the contract clearly dictates that you don't sign? DONT SIGN ANYTHING!! Don't listen to up-Yours. He is management in disguise.
  14. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    Did I say sign the DR certification? I said read it, which is perhaps what you should have done before replying. BTW, it doesn't matter whether you sign it or not, you are still bound by the document.
  15. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Why read it if you aren't signing it? I believe you have said that YOU signed it. I live in the State of New York where it is illegal to garnish your wages for any work related losses. Go annoy someone else.
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    If your statement about garnishment is true (which it is not) how can you explain employees who have had to pay for COD shortages or for bad DR's?

    You may want to re-read Article 10 Loss and Damage
  17. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    If you steal or do not correctly follow procedure, then you are liable. If you follow correct procedure, they can not garnish. I don't need to read anything, except the recommendation for surgery from my doctor. And, my comp benefit/check that Liberty disperses for UPS, as stated on every check.

    Why didn't the actual guilty party who destroyed the $23,000 package have to re-pay that to UPS? How about asking the teacher in Syracuse that one, smartypants? I guess not every one does have to re-pay, do they?
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    This is not what you said--you said "I live in the state of New York where it is illegal to garnish your wages for any work related losses." Fail.
  19. menotyou

    menotyou bella amicizia

    Oh, my I FAILED to leave out if you are a skank and steal. Wow. Glad the belt, I mean post, police grabbed that one. Wow. Can you imagine the catastrophe that could have happened if that one got by? Man, I am sooooo glad we have you around. Boy, that was a close one. Whew!
  20. speeddemon

    speeddemon Guest

    We had a driver a few years ago try to be held responsible for a package that he driver released, and all procedures were followed. It :censored2: everyone else off in the center so much, we started to get signatures for quite a bit of our residential stops. Needless to say, after a while, they let that one go. You know, I don't care if you follow those methods perfectly, once in a while, some jerkoff is gonna steal a box. Its just part of the business.