Hubs not implementing 22.4

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Griffin1820, Jul 8, 2018.

  1. Griffin1820

    Griffin1820 File! File! File!

    Many of us work at hubs that dont have weekend delivery, yet all we hear from the Union is how great 22.4 is going to be for RPCD drivers. What improvements can guys like me expect? Especially being someone who is still in the God awful long progression where the company saves over 10 bucks an hour my first 4 years. Is the 22.4 thier "flagship" accomplishment? Is that supposed to be thier big contract seller?
     
  2. Kanovic

    Kanovic My job is fun

    Yes
     
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  3. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    To be honest man no one knows what to expect just yet. I don't see big improvements for you but that still remains to be seen.

    When the contract comes out read it and decide for yourself how you feel about it. Don't listen to the raw raw speeches of both sides.
     
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  4. Sickofit

    Sickofit watching the show

    If you dont have any weekend routes trust me, you'll have at least 1 shortly just to work 22.4s.
     
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  5. silenze

    silenze Lunch is the best part of the day

    They will use 22.4 drivers during the week. This whole weekend thing is just a misdirection. There is no restrictions on what 5 days they work. They will be working during the week replacing rpcd work.
     
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  6. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    He doesn't have Sat delivery where he is so the company can not hire 22.4 in his building till they start a Sat delivery.
     
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  7. silenze

    silenze Lunch is the best part of the day

    That is completely false. There is no restrictions for creating a 22.4 driver except for the current 25% maximum that can be changed at anytime. They can work any consecutive 5 days including m-f exclusively driving.
     
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  8. Griffin1820

    Griffin1820 File! File! File!

    Well so far it doesnt look like ill have any improvements. The 9.5 language they released doesnt specify exactly who will get the easy protection but ive heard rumors that it will only pretain to full time bid drivers and not cover drivers. Hopefully thats bogus.
    My pay is already the roughly the same as the new starting wage and we still havent seen any language that would keep the company from just simply violating 9.5 like they do now, especially since we dont have Saturday ground.
     
  9. CoolStoryBro

    CoolStoryBro Active Member


    22.4 hoses part timers. It's weekends at a lower rate. longer wait to become a RPCD.
     
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  10. Scottyhawk

    Scottyhawk What is it? A brown box. Duh

    Cart before the horse, contract has not been formally presented and I have a good feeling that it will be shot down on first go around primarily because of 22.4
     
  11. Sickofit

    Sickofit watching the show

     
  12. retiredTxfeeder

    retiredTxfeeder cap'n crunch

    In a negotiating situation, I don't think you should EVER take the first offer. Especially a contract that got a handshake agreement months before it expired. In my 38 years of contracts, I never voted yes on the first round.
     
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  13. Over70irregs

    Over70irregs Member

    They put out first contract option to see how strong you are. Then come out later with the contract that they will force down your throat using override bylaws.
     
  14. Hethatbeking

    Hethatbeking Active Member

    New to this teamster thing. Where can I find the language surrounding the override bylaws.
     
  15. Pizza

    Pizza BrownCafer of the Month

    Anyone know which thread had the proposed 22.4 with the 50% of regular PCD. Wanted to compare it to the tentative but can not find.
     
  16. OrionIsDaddy

    OrionIsDaddy Member

    My hub starts saturday ground on August 4th lol what a coincidence, first saturday after new contract.


    They've been pushing the date back for months
     
  17. Over disciplined0123

    Over disciplined0123 Active Member

    Saving tons of money lengthening progression periods. Now 22.4 combo drivers it is just thier plan of reducing drivers wages because soon all of us RPCD drivers will be retired. The majority of these drivers were hired in 1990s at the start of the internet craze.. once we are gone the max rate of all drivers will be 10$ less a hour
     
  18. Griffin1820

    Griffin1820 File! File! File!

    Our hub is only like 32 full time drivers so I dont see us implementing 22.4 drivers. The unions claims and mailings have been that the 22.4 will help us get days off and curb forced overtime, so how does us small hubs get overtime help? Im hopeful the new 9.5 language is better and clear. Theve manipulated our current 9.5 language to the point its worthless
     
  19. upswife75

    upswife75 Active Member

    According to the mailer that we got in the mail today...

    "The Company can only use the new combination drivers at buildings where the Company delivers on Saturday or Sunday."

    Of course, that doesn't specify whether those deliveries include air or just ground. Here locally, only air is delivered on Saturdays and nothing moves on Sundays (except during peak).
     
  20. Superteeth2478

    Superteeth2478 Active Member

    Article XII, Section 2 of the IBT Constitution specifies what happens if there aren't enough votes...If enough of the membership doesn't vote the contract down it will be "imposed", so to speak, even if the majority of those who voted did vote "no".

    Article XII, Section 6 was abused in the last contract to impose the supplementals that were repeatedly voted down by amending the language. It was claimed by Hoffa and his leadership that the holdout locals were voting down their supplementals because of language in the NMA which had already been voted in, and this was used to impose the supplementals.
     
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    Last edited: Jul 9, 2018