Is this allowed...???

[ThatOnePreloader]

I hate to be annoying but I'm still unclear as to wether this is supposed to be allowed or not as I've had varying opinions as you all can see

 

[Jkloc420]

I hate to be annoying but I'm still unclear as to wether this is supposed to be allowed or not as I've had varying opinions as you all can see

they wouldnt do it in my building, and i dont think they are allowed to. However others might say different

 

[What The Hawk?]

I hate to be annoying but I'm still unclear as to wether this is supposed to be allowed or not as I've had varying opinions as you all can see

Short answer..NO it isn't allowed. You are underage. In order to protect your ass in the future, refuse any further shuttling.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

It is allowed on an exception basis.

 

[Star B]

I have liability anyway

Your insurance won't cover it because you were on the clock and working for UPS. Also, some companies will not cover vehicle use for "Delivery" unless you purchased the additional coverage. Do you want to be in the middle of a "UPS says "NO", my insurance says "NO", and I just did 50k worth of damage?"

 

[Box Ox]

I was told I was SUPPOSED to after the fact by one of our air drivers and that I should have started progression on that exact day, but I never even got the chance to clock in as one. I was made to clock in as preload.

That's shady as hell.

Does not apply to employees shuttling packages to drivers. You are not delivering them.

Never heard of that before.

 

[Box Ox]

He was not an air driver---he was a preloader being used to shuttle air.

Never heard of that. Should absolutely not be allowed. I often shuttled after preload but only as an exception air driver.

 

[What The Hawk?]

You're 19 years old and the very fact that you're questioning this should tell you that it isn't supposed to happen. Be smart about this, document the date, time, and the location of where you shuttled. Refuse to do it anymore and if they give you a hard time, say "you're the ones going against policy, not me". There is also a pay difference in being an air driver. Getting an underage preloader to shuttle is cutting corners in more ways than one.

 

[Over 70]

Um did you talk to your steward......or your business agent?????

Don't be a dick until you cross that bridge. They will provide you with the answers.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

Never heard of that. Should absolutely not be allowed. I often shuttled after preload but only as an exception air driver.

They paid a union employee to shuttle late air to drivers.
If he did it every day, then you can make a stink about it.

For once, they use a union employee to do this, and the Teamster hoard is still not satisfied.

 

[Box Ox]

They paid a union employee to shuttle late air to drivers.
If he did it every day, then you can make a stink about it.

It's a normal practice in our center with late air, especially during peak.

They're regularly using underpaid, underage union employees who are probably taking on a lot of personal liability. And they're being kept out of air progression.

 

[HEFFERNAN]

They're regularly using underpaid, underage union employees who are probably taking on a lot of personal liability. And they're being kept out of air progression.

There is nothing to "progress" if they aren't delivering.
If the bean counters want to take the hit on the late air, I don't care if a fellow teamster is being paid to drop it to me.
If he didn't want the extra money, he would say no.

 

[Box Ox]

There is nothing to "progress" if they aren't delivering.

Sorry, boss. Shuttlers are still exception air drivers even if they're not delivering. Only time delivering or not becomes a pay question is if they're delivering Ground packages.

@ThatOnePreloader Are you guys even being paid mileage to shuttle packages out in your own vehicles for preloader pay? PVDs will be getting that plus $18.xx/hr pay this peak season.

Edit: Not sure on the PVD hourly pay rate. Think I saw that confirmed somewhere.

 

[cosmo1]

If you have an accident while driving your vehicle for UPS, your insurance might deny your claim.

Theoretically, UPS is responsible for insurance when you drive your personal vehicle.

Theoretically, he would be poop out of luck being under 21.

 

[Mugarolla]

Never heard of that. Should absolutely not be allowed. I often shuttled after preload but only as an exception air driver.

So you would rather management do it?

going against policy

What policy?

For once, they use a union employee to do this, and the Teamster hoard is still not satisfied.

Exactly.

Theoretically, UPS is responsible for insurance when you drive your personal vehicle.

Not theoretically, contractually.

Article 40 of the NMUPSA.

 

[What The Hawk?]

So you would rather management do it?



What policy?



Exactly.



Not theoretically, contractually.

Article 40 of the NMUPSA.

BEING 21 YEARS OLD. It's a requirement/policy whatever you want to call it.

 

[cosmo1]

Not theoretically, contractually.

Article 40 of the NMUPSA.

You know damned well management would do their best to overlook that.

 

[Box Ox]

So you would rather management do it?

The idea that the only choices are...

-Management doing it

-Using underpaid, underage union employees who are probably taking on a lot of personal liability. That are also being kept out of air progression.

....is a false one. The correct choice is to use exception air drivers, over 21, who are in progression.

The OP says this is "normal practice". So it's not like the need for shuttling came out of nowhere. OP's management team is trying to get away with something they know they shouldn't be doing. Which is why the shuttlers aren't punching in as 5E drivers.

 

[snookbunny420]

a schill pain and simple. another new guy not properly unionized

 

[snookbunny420]

why wait and ask brown cafe later , why not ask the union right then and there