Management that smokes, 3 days until cold turkey

[Catatonic]

PS.. Anyone find it ironic that the upsers.com site isn't working properly and people can't post anymore comments. Also, I've never seen so many comments on an article before.

As far as the changes, it really didn't impact me, I don't have a wife that can get insurance at her work and we don't smoke. But it's just sad to see what they've done. I don't know how or why anyone will ever agree to get promoted to PT supv. I haven't seen a driver (excluding some who are in progression) decide to go to mgmt in years. Now I don't think we'll ever see that.

Not really (if that is really the case).
The person in charge of UPSers.com is extremely sensitive to any negative comments and criticisms of UPS.
I could easily see the feedback functionality being turned off as a preventative measure.

 

[beentheredonethat]

Not really (if that is really the case). The person in charge of UPSers.com is extremely sensitive to any negative comments and criticisms of UPS. I could easily see the feedback functionality being turned off as a preventative measure.

Two things.

1. They were way too late on that.. since there were already over 500 posts and they were virtually all negative.
2. Someone from Corp HR posted in response to someone who was retaliated by their boss for venting on UPSers.com that open and honest communication is OK and people should be able to voice their displeasure.

Now... Do I believe item number 2? Absolutely not. That's why I won't post negatives on that board. It's too easy to be put in the cross-hairs by someone up high being upset with what you posted. I'm at that rocky point with UPS.. Too many years in to leave, not enough to retire. If I was a lot younger, sure I'd speak up. If I was of retirement age, sure I'd speak up. But, it's not worth it to risk anything by talking.

Time to start working on losing more weight so when next years enhancements come I'll be ready for the BMI test.
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[beentheredonethat]

Agree except that it was division/staff manager and below that took the brunt.
Division manager probably worse than manager.
They get impacted same as manager except for their worthless stock options for several years.

I'm confused as to why you think the div mgr has it worse then mgr?

Doesn't div mgr (level 40s) now get a higher MIP factor % then regular mgr (level 30s)?
Doesn't div mgr have a higher pay scale itself?

They still have a similar job but they are the go between between ops mgr and the ctr mgr and can always blame the ctr mgr.

In staff jobs, I see the district IE mgr having two or three team leaders that report to him and they have their mgrs that report to the team leads. The direct reports have gone down, just more total people that work for them.

I see similar for BD Director with about 4 director levels reporting to him\her.

Now do the div mgrs get the benefits of stock options like they used to before when UPS stock was always rising? NO...
I'm just curious as to why you believe it's the div mgr that gets the brunt of this?
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Just to be clear... I believe the brunt is on the lowest levels of us. The admins, the specialists, the PT supvs. They get the biggest brunt of the changes. Then the FT Supvs rank follows them, followed by the mgr. I see impact to div mgr, but I'd put them last on the list of impacted people.

 

[Bagels]

PS.. Anyone find it ironic that the upsers.com site isn't working properly and people can't post anymore comments. Also, I've never seen so many comments on an article before.

As far as the changes, it really didn't impact me, I don't have a wife that can get insurance at her work and we don't smoke. But it's just sad to see what they've done. I don't know how or why anyone will ever agree to get promoted to PT supv. I haven't seen a driver (excluding some who are in progression) decide to go to mgmt in years. Now I don't think we'll ever see that.

Given that the company's ideal PT supervision candidate is somebody young, who will work for the company 4-5 years while in school & then move on, I doubt they believe it will impact the candidate pool. My DM has made it clear that she's upset with the large number of PT sups we have that have turned the job into a career.

In my building, we have had a few long-time drivers move into management. But for a couple of them, their bodies had reached the point of no longer cooperating with the job (literally).

 

[Jones]

Island1fox... Obamacare or no Obamacare. The biggest issue is time after time after time UPS has taken away from mgmt espescially those at Mgr level or below. This is just the latest of a long line of takeaways. UPS started pushing the cost to non union years before Obama was even a US Senator. So it's not Obamacare that started this. Also, it's always the mgmt team that is taking it on the chin. With this last contract that the teamsters are screaming about they still do not have to deal with money taken out of their paycheck for paying a portion of the health care cost. The teamsters spouses who work will still be on their insurance. Aaaargh.

We haven't been able to do that for a quite a while. Here if your spouse has insurance available through his/her work, they have to use that as their primary insurance.

 

[Bagels]

We haven't been able to do that for a quite a while. Here if your spouse has insurance available through his/her work, they have to use that as their primary insurance.

For the company-provided unions plans, it becomes a secondary plan for yourself, your spouse and/or your family in certain situations. But when that happens, it's suppose to pay the difference between what you paid out-of-pocket with the primary insurance and what the UPS plan would've covered had it been the primary.

 

[Catatonic]

We haven't been able to do that for a quite a while. Here if your spouse has insurance available through his/her work, they have to use that as their primary insurance.

Even if the spouse has to purchase that insurance?

Teamster employees (as far as I know) get their healthcare coverage free.

The new UPS Flex Plan states that if insurance is offered, regardless of additional cost to the employee/family, the spouse will not be covered.

 

[Bagels]

Even if the spouse has to purchase that insurance?

Teamster employees (as far as I know) get their healthcare coverage free.

The new UPS Flex Plan states that if insurance is offered, regardless of additional cost to the employee/family, the spouse will not be covered.

The PT union company-provided plan stipulates that if insurance is offered to your spouse or significant other, that insurance must be taken up & used as the primary insurance for the spouse and possibility yourself and/or family in specific situations. It agrees to pay the difference in out-of-pocket costs between what that plan covers & what the UPS plan would've covered, but there's no credit for the co-premiums paid.

I thought the easy way around this was not to report it, but apparently there's a medical-type credit bureau in which this stuff (and everything else regarding your health in which insurance was utilized on) is reported to.

 

[toonertoo]

They should just make smoking illegal. It works so well with Meth, Heroin, and prohibition went so well also. It is just a money maker, all around.
It is a legal function. May not be nice but it is legal. And yes younger people who smoke should know better, as the evidence is in. And its also costly. Very.

 

[Jones]

Even if the spouse has to purchase that insurance?

Yes. My wife is self employed now so no issues, but when she had a job that offered health insurance she had to use that as her primary and she did have to pay for it.

Teamster employees (as far as I know) get their healthcare coverage free.

The new UPS Flex Plan states that if insurance is offered, regardless of additional cost to the employee/family, the spouse will not be covered.

 

[Jones]

The PT union company-provided plan stipulates that if insurance is offered to your spouse or significant other, that insurance must be taken up & used as the primary insurance for the spouse and possibility yourself and/or family in specific situations. It agrees to pay the difference in out-of-pocket costs between what that plan covers & what the UPS plan would've covered, but there's no credit for the co-premiums paid.

I thought the easy way around this was not to report it, but apparently there's a medical-type credit bureau in which this stuff (and everything else regarding your health in which insurance was utilized on) is reported to.

Our local makes very clear that you will be charged with insurance fraud if they find out.

 

[bluehdmc]

You make $30+/hr---go out and buy your own damn turkey!

It's certainly not the price of the turkey, it's the thought of it. A little Thank-you from the company.

 

[Catatonic]

It's certainly not the price of the turkey, it's the thought of it. A little Thank-you from the company.

How about a big thank you in the form of over $100,000 per year total compensation per full-time employee?

​Give the part-timers a turkey though!

 

[Delivered]

Even if the spouse has to purchase that insurance?

Teamster employees (as far as I know) get their healthcare coverage free.

The new UPS Flex Plan states that if insurance is offered, regardless of additional cost to the employee/family, the spouse will not be covered.

Teamster employees in our building with the Company plan pay for family coverage and have for years. It isn't much but it comes out of the check every week.

 

[Lineandinitial]

How about a big thank you in the form of over $100,000 per year total compensation per full-time employee?

​Give the part-timers a turkey though!

I don't know about you and the skills that you brought to UPS, but my skill set is worth every penny I receive from UPS. In fact, doing my jobs elswhere would command quite a bit more, so the turkey thank you is not about money, but about tradition and a tie back to why we were successful at UPS. Same with the 20, 25, 30, etc service gifts. I can't believe the decisions that are being made in Atlanta. Other than the reworded Policy Book, what is left of the Partnership?

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

They can keep the turkey----I actually prefer ham----but I do think they should reinstate the years of service awards at the 20, 25 and 30 year levels. (Notice I didn't say 35----you should already be gone by then)

 

[texan]

I was told today that they rethought the 3 day window and now smokers have until 1 Sep 2013.

It was extended.

This sounds to me, more reasonable.

 

[Returntosender]

Those of you who smoke their is always electronic cigarettes.

 

[Catatonic]

I don't know about you and the skills that you brought to UPS, but my skill set is worth every penny I receive from UPS. In fact, doing my jobs elsewhere would command quite a bit more, so the turkey thank you is not about money, but about tradition and a tie back to why we were successful at UPS. Same with the 20, 25, 30, etc service gifts. I can't believe the decisions that are being made in Atlanta. Other than the reworded Policy Book, what is left of the Partnership?

Oh, I thought you were a driver.

I ag​ree that many management positions at UPS would make more at other companies if the individual is a top performer.
That is why I sincerely believe it is UPS upper management's desire (HR at least) that people only work for UPS for 3 - 5 years and then move to another company.

 

[trickpony1]

Those of you who smoke their is always electronic cigarettes.

Do you really know what you're getting when you hit off one of those?