Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
I can't wait for Hoffa to Tell lawyers the line we hear all of the time from BA. Well that's what it says but that's not really what it means. Lol
New tdu article on halt to ratification
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BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
I think it's pretty optimistic.... you think it's going to happen.
Who is leading the charge ?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
A dozen vp, tdu, 50,000+ members. Take your pick.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Yes sir, you are correct. I apologize.
How about Section 2.
When in the judgment of the negotiating committee the involved employer has made a final offer of settlement, such negotiating committee shall have the authority, with the approval of the General Executive Board, to conduct agreement ratification votes
BigUnionGuy
Got the T-Shirt
Umm...
It's seven.
Certainly, not a majority of the IBT executive board.
Do you realize.... TDU posting the preliminary results....
Undermined the entire process ?
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
They posted numbers that weren't announced on the conference call?
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
For the people questioning whether this was a final offer or not...
Don't you think the NNC would have kept on negotiating if they thought they could do better?
I'm sure there were many give and takes, and it looks like the Negotiating Committee saw that they could do no better, that UPS gave them their final offer, and would not budge on anything else, so they accepted it and sent it to us.
If it wasn't a final offer, the NNC would have kept on negotiating before sending it to us. That's how negotiations work.
Should Hoffa have told us about the Constitution and that this was a final offer?
No doubt, yes. I think he held this card in his back pocket. Although DT hinted to it last Wednesday, before the voting was over.
Don't you think the NNC would have kept on negotiating if they thought they could do better?
I'm sure there were many give and takes, and it looks like the Negotiating Committee saw that they could do no better, that UPS gave them their final offer, and would not budge on anything else, so they accepted it and sent it to us.
If it wasn't a final offer, the NNC would have kept on negotiating before sending it to us. That's how negotiations work.
Should Hoffa have told us about the Constitution and that this was a final offer?
No doubt, yes. I think he held this card in his back pocket. Although DT hinted to it last Wednesday, before the voting was over.
just chillin'
Rest in peace wooba
7 VPs out of how many? How many are there? Article said 3 didn’t and a majority is needed to get a emergency meeting
MyTripisCut
Never bought my own handtruck
Obviously won’t matter unless it 50.1 percent....
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
lol no. They accepted this offer long before the deadline. They had strike authorization in their back pocket and chose to do nothing with it.
Ups never announced anything as their last, best, final as they did in 97. Why? Because they weren't pushed to make a final offer.
As soon as 22.4 were announced it was clear there was no way full timers were gonna vote this through. So instead of go back and say I'm sorry this just isn't gonna work the IBT decided to put the full court press on to get as many pt to vote as possible.
The IBT never intended to push ups to get the BEST offer they could. They got what they wanted. More pension money and more union dues. From there it was just a matter of how to get it thru.
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DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
No.
They don't know if they need to do better until the membership votes. You're suggesting every vote is a strike vote. That's ridiculous.
1989
Well-Known Member
You were there? You must prefer the $15 drivers.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
In your opinion.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
That's not what the Constitution says.
When in the judgment of the negotiating committee the involved employer has made a final offer of settlement, such negotiating committee shall have the authority, with the approval of the General Executive Board, to conduct agreement ratification votes
DriveInDriveOut
Inordinately Right
That section is specifically for final offers.
And Hoffa is not undermining the vote?
LagunaBrown
Well-Known Member
Stop wasting your time trying to make sense to them. They believe in their own untruths and emoji charms.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
Yes.
After negotiating for 11 months, the negotiating committee could not improve the offer any more. UPS would no longer budge, on any issue. It determined this was a final offer.
And, per the Constitution, they sent it to us to vote on.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
If this is absolutely the best the NNC could do in the economic times we are in.....then frankly they suck at negotiating.
Their big wins according to them were 22.4 (second tier drivers and one of the biggest concessions ever) and increased pt starting pay. Which without some type of catch up for current employees was basically like spitting in their face and saying people that aren't even currently in the union are more important.
Mugarolla
Light 'em up!
I'll try one more time.
Union: We want $1 raise
UPS: We gave you $0.80 and that's all we're going to give you.
Union: We want $1
UPS: No
Union: We want $1
UPS: No
The negotiating committee tells the Executive Board that that's all UPS is going to give us.
You don't consider that a final offer?
Well, it is.
