Occupy Wall Street

804brown

Well-Known Member
They have no focus. Would you have a job if you walked away from it for 2 months???

In the 60s people also quit their jobs or went on leave to march for civil rights and end the wars in southeast china. But I guess committing one's time for an important cause is a horrible selfish thing to do in good ol san clemente, the land of richard nixon!!
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
[h=1]Occuppy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel[/h]
A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.
The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.
 

wkmac

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bbsam

Moderator
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Occuppy Wall Street protesters stay at $700-a-night hotel


A key Occupy Wall Street leader and another protester who leads a double life as a businessman ditched fetid tents and church basements for rooms at a luxurious hotel that promises guests can “unleash [their] inner Gordon Gekko,” The Post has learned.
The $700-per-night W Hotel Downtown last week hosted both Peter Dutro, one of a select few OWS members on the powerful finance committee, and Brad Spitzer, a California-based analyst who not only secretly took part in protests during a week-long business trip but offered shelter to protesters in his swanky platinum-card room.
Doesn't this simply blow a hole in the right-wing stereotype of the people who make up the OWS groups?
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
Doesn't this simply blow a hole in the right-wing stereotype of the people who make up the OWS groups?

It really doesnt matter what these reactionaries think. They accuse the OWS protesters of everything and anything. They know their time is over. They had their 15 minutes. But this movement is not going away. It might move indoors physically but the movement itself grows daily. The cops actions have actually made more people sympathetic of the OWS. This was not about occupying a piece of ground or a park. It is occupying one's mind. Churches and union halls have opened their doors to the brave souls out there for them to shower,etc.
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
It really doesnt matter what these reactionaries think. They accuse the OWS protesters of everything and anything. They know their time is over. They had their 15 minutes. But this movement is not going away. It might move indoors physically but the movement itself grows daily. The cops actions have actually made more people sympathetic of the OWS. This was not about occupying a piece of ground or a park. It is occupying one's mind. Churches and union halls have opened their doors to the brave souls out there for them to shower,etc.

Oh for those halcyon days of high school. Brings back such fond memories.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Open Letter to the Police

The time has come for you to make a choice. You must choose where you stand. You must take a stand and decide what society you wish to live in. Do not tell us that you follow orders, we dealt with that one decades ago. We don’t want to hear that policies are set far above you, by those with more power than you. They have no power without you; you are their power. Without your willing participation, they are nothing more than miserable creatures, talking to the walls in overly decorated rooms. You convert their statements into physical actions. You decide which orders to follow, and from whom. It is your call.

We know why you joined the force. You wanted to protect the weak and the innocent from the strong and vicious. You desired a society where justice is done, the guilty punished. You abhor the use of violence against women and children. You wanted to stand for good, protect those who need protection. Are you doing this now?




Have you noticed the decline, over the past few decades, in public regard for your profession? When I was growing up, the friendly police officer was a part of our neighborhood. Children aspired to grow up to be policemen; the job was respectable. Seeing a police officer nearby meant safety. Today, citizens are fearful of you. When you drive by, they shudder – the innocent as well as the guilty. A policeman in close range no longer is resassuring. Citizens today worry that they will be assaulted, be electrocuted, or in other ways be harmed by their former public servants. Children worry that they will raise suspicions. Your job has changed from keeping the peace to enforcing various arbitrary, bureaucratic dictates. Have you wondered why?

You are the hired muscle of a small group. You no longer work for us, but for an alliance of businessmen, politicians, and bankers. They are determined to make society over in the vein they wish to see it. You are their muscle, their enforcer. This is why the public no longer respects you, but rather fears you. It is why your ranks have become full of sadists uninterested in the tasks that motivated you to join the force. It explains the orders you have been receiving.

read the rest here
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
Here is the "vision statement" of OWS:


We Envision: [1] a truly free, democratic, and just society; [2] where we, the people, come together and solve our problems by consensus; [3] where people are encouraged to take personal and collective responsibility and participate in decision making; [4] where we learn to live in harmony and embrace principles of toleration and respect for diversity and the differing views of others; [5] where we secure the civil and human rights of all from violation by tyrannical forces and unjust governments; [6] where political and economic institutions work to benefit all, not just the privileged few; [7] where we provide full and free education to everyone, not merely to get jobs but to grow and flourish as human beings; [8] where we value human needs over monetary gain, to ensure decent standards of living without which effective democracy is impossible; [9] where we work together to protect the global environment to ensure that future generations will have safe and clean air, water and food supplies, and will be able to enjoy the beauty and bounty of nature that past generations have enjoyed.
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
Ron Paul to Herman Cain on the Occupy Movement

[video=youtube;Z91gTaEbnvk]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z91gTaEbnvk[/video]

Progressive/left journalist Robert Scheer also points out Ron's comment to Cain.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
Lastest news from OWS-Boston;

A lawsuit has been filed between two seperate OWS-Boston groups and it's all about who "owns" all the donated money.
Who should have financial control (1) the first person to set up camp who used the donated money to buy tents and supplies for other campers or another group who claims to be money managers for the group ?
 

wkmac

Well-Known Member
WOW, you found another blame bush story.

It may be that but it also names President Obama as co-conspirator and on both points, Matt would be correct.

But then again, your post above speaks volumes but not about who you want it too!

804,
Good find on the Taibbi piece. Greenwald has been a real champion and voice against the very forces pushing the police state upon us thanks to both parties. It's this police state and it's militarization of which Ron Paul was speaking when condemning the Patriot Act and the Drug War in a most recent republican debate.
 

804brown

Well-Known Member
It may be that but it also names President Obama as co-conspirator and on both points, Matt would be correct.

But then again, your post above speaks volumes but not about who you want it too!

804,
Good find on the Taibbi piece. Greenwald has been a real champion and voice against the very forces pushing the police state upon us thanks to both parties. It's this police state and it's militarization of which Ron Paul was speaking when condemning the Patriot Act and the Drug War in a most recent republican debate.

I dont agree with some of what Paul says , but how about a Nader/Paul ticket!! It is time to leave the 2 corporate owned parties and create a party for the 99%!!
 

Catatonic

Nine Lives
A good read on police tactics and democracy. Pepper-Spray Incident Reveals Weakness Up Top

Good article. I agree in concept with everything he brought up.

The loss of individual liberty after 9-11 has always irked me as non-productive and smacking of a military state.

Another thing he brought up which I think has hurt individual liberty and corrupted the police forces is the seizure of property for the slightest pretense. I know a person whose very nice expensive car was seized after he was caught with one joint in his car. The cops cruise around in his seized car stopping people at ramps to the interstate - I think the state finally stepped in and stopped some of it.
 
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