Only 5% of next car purchasers expect to buy all electric cars-Road and Track.

[Ou812fu]

And, as I've mentioned, it's not a demand issue. It's a production issue. The only question is how fast we can make them, not if people will buy them. Building new factories and supplying a new kind of vehicle isn't easy.

Production is the entire question. The overwhelming superiority of EVs for just about all light applications makes consumer demand effectively infinite.

LOL. This tesla dealership in my area has no more room to take any more cars... Lol.
But keep telling yourself that.

 

[wilberforce15]

From 2% to 50% in 8 years… the price would have to come down or……gas powered would have to go up….like they’re doing now.
Hmmmmm, I smell a setup.

The average new car price now is over 45k now.

Tesla can provide millions of cars under that number, with better performance than any in that range.

And when the real gaskiller comes, a 300mi range 4 door car for under 30k, that's the final nail.

EVs being at 2% includes the heavy duty segment in the denominator. Remove that and it's more like 4% now. But yeah, it's only a matter of production. There is no such thing as an unsold EV, and there won't be.

 

[wilberforce15]

LOL. This tesla dealership in my area has no more room to take any more cars... Lol.
But keep telling yourself that.

Track the cars. They aren't a dealer. That's a giant pickup spot.

Backorders are weeks and weeks. Tesla has sold every car it has ever made, with a long line hoping for sloppy seconds.

 

[UnionStrong]

The average new car price now is over 45k now.

Tesla can provide millions of cars under that number, with better performance than any in that range.

And when the real gaskiller comes, a 300mi range 4 door car for under 30k, that's the final nail.

EVs being at 2% includes the heavy duty segment in the denominator. Remove that and it's more like 4% now. But yeah, it's only a matter of production. There is no such thing as an unsold EV, and there won't be.

Energy production is the X factor. Where’s all the electric power coming from? If you have half the vehicles electric, you won’t be able to power them with current grid capacity. The left won’t allow more plants being built and solar and wind can’t produce enough or store energy. So?

 

[wilberforce15]

Energy production is the X factor. Where’s all the electric power coming from? If you have half the vehicles electric, you won’t be able to power them with current grid capacity. The left won’t allow more plants being built and solar and wind can’t produce enough or store energy. So?

At the end of the day, economic necessity makes things happen, and sufficient power will be delivered if the market needs it. And the market needs it. I don't think it's a big deal, except in CA, because, well, it's California and they be cray cray.

 

[UnionStrong]

At the end of the day, economic necessity makes things happen, and sufficient power will be delivered if the market needs it. And the market needs it. I don't think it's a big deal, except in CA, because, well, it's California and they be cray cray.

And yet there are more Teslas on the road there! I saw it first hand.

 

[wilberforce15]

And yet there are more Teslas on the road there! I saw it first hand.

Yep. They don't have a plan to power even all the people they have, let alone an EV increase. But they're not really part of America, anyway. Let the whole thing fall into the Pacific with an earthquake. That solves the power problem.

Also, you mentioned half of vehicles being electric. That's not the case at all. I'm talking about half of new car sales. The proportion on the road would still be well under 20% in 2030.

 

[UnionStrong]

Yep. They don't have a plan to power even all the people they have, let alone an EV increase. But they're not really part of America, anyway. Let the whole thing fall into the Pacific with an earthquake. That solves the power problem.

Also, you mentioned half of vehicles being electric. That's not the case at all. I'm talking about half of new car sales. The proportion on the road would still be well under 20% in 2030.

What about hybrids?

 

[wilberforce15]

What about hybrids?

There is a very limited role for hybrids in the future. EVs will be so capable and so cheap, the hybrid doesn't have much purpose any more. It only existed because EVs weren't ready to take the prime time spot. Very soon, they will.

 

[Ou812fu]

The average new car price now is over 45k now.

Tesla can provide millions of cars under that number, with better performance than any in that range.

And when the real gaskiller comes, a 300mi range 4 door car for under 30k, that's the final nail.

EVs being at 2% includes the heavy duty segment in the denominator. Remove that and it's more like 4% now. But yeah, it's only a matter of production. There is no such thing as an unsold EV, and there won't be.

They are worthless if they can't be recharged in less then 5 minutes. 5 minutes is a little long. But I'll give them the extra two minutes.

 

[wilberforce15]

They are worthless if they can't be recharged in less then 5 minutes. 5 minutes is a little long. But I'll give them the extra two minutes.

Charging takes 2 seconds of your time. Much faster than gas.

 

[DriveInDriѵeOut]

This thread is so gay.

 

[wilberforce15]

This thread is so gay.

The average gas guy here is having some trouble.

 

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The average gas guy here is having some trouble.

I was just thinking it reminds me of apple vs android fanboys. Really, no one cares, buy what you like.

 

[Ou812fu]

Charging takes 2 seconds of your time. Much faster than gas.

No it doesn't. If you are on a long trip say 600 miles. You would have to stop and plug your car in for over 3 hours. I can fill a tank in 3 minutes. So let's not try and make things look better then they are..

Also if there are many people on these trips. There will never be enough charging stations for that many cars to use.

So please let me know when they will be 100% charged in 5 minutes.. I do know that Volkswagen/audi makes the fastest charger. Which puts the cars at 85% in 40 minutes. Which only the leaves the car at about 220 miles until empty. Good luck....

 

[wilberforce15]

No it doesn't. If you are on a long trip say 600 miles. You would have to stop and plug your car in for over 3 hours. I can fill a tank in 3 minutes. So let's not try and make things look better then they are..

Also if there are many people on these trips. There will never be enough charging stations for that many cars to use.

So please let me know when they will be 100% charged in 5 minutes.. I do know that Volkswagen/audi makes the fastest charger. Which puts the cars at 85% in 40 minutes. Which only the leaves the car at about 220 miles until empty. Good luck....

Mr. Bean already answered all this, in this very thread.
.

 

[UnionStrong]

No it doesn't. If you are on a long trip say 600 miles. You would have to stop and plug your car in for over 3 hours. I can fill a tank in 3 minutes. So let's not try and make things look better then they are..

Also if there are many people on these trips. There will never be enough charging stations for that many cars to use.

So please let me know when they will be 100% charged in 5 minutes.. I do know that Volkswagen/audi makes the fastest charger. Which puts the cars at 85% in 40 minutes. Which only the leaves the car at about 220 miles until empty. Good luck....

That’s the key issue, that and the number of stations.

 

[wilberforce15]

Why do people keep bringing up inferior EVs or awful charging setups like VW? People are just allergic to Tesla or something.

1 charge. 45 minutes. And I make the 600 mile trip the same as you with your 45 minute stop.

 

[oldngray]

I was just thinking it reminds me of apple vs android fanboys. Really, no one cares, buy what you like.

A lot of similarities and overlap between Tesla and Apple fanboys

 

[wilberforce15]

A lot of similarities and overlap between Tesla and Apple fanboys

They both got stupidly rich?