Oregon anti government stand off.

MAKAVELI

MAKAVELI

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oldngray said:
They were never charged with terrorism and now after they have completed their sentences imposed by the judicial system a judge wants to arbitrarily change things and add terrorism (which they were never convicted of). He is exceeding his authority.
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They sound like a couple terrorists to me.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/e...convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.” The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.” In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

“We all know the devastating effects that are caused by wildfires. Fires intentionally and illegally set on public lands, even those in a remote area, threaten property and residents and endanger firefighters called to battle the blaze” stated Acting U.S. Attorney Billy Williams.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison. These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”
 
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stopsperhour said:
They sound like a couple terrorists to me.
http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/e...convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
EUGENE, Ore. – Dwight Lincoln Hammond, Jr., 73, and his son, Steven Dwight Hammond, 46, both residents of Diamond, Oregon in Harney County, were sentenced to five years in prison by Chief U.S. District Judge Ann Aiken for arsons they committed on federal lands.

A jury sitting in Pendleton, Oregon found the Hammonds guilty of the arsons after a two-week trial in June 2012. The trial involved allegations that the Hammonds, owners of Hammond Ranches, Inc., ignited a series of fires on lands managed by the U.S. Bureau of Land Management (BLM), on which the Hammonds had grazing rights leased to them for their cattle operation.

The jury convicted both of the Hammonds of using fire to destroy federal property for a 2001 arson known as the Hardie-Hammond Fire, located in the Steens Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. Witnesses at trial, including a relative of the Hammonds, testified the arson occurred shortly after Steven Hammond and his hunting party illegally slaughtered several deer on BLM property. Jurors were told that Steven Hammond handed out “Strike Anywhere” matches with instructions that they be lit and dropped on the ground because they were going to “light up the whole country on fire.” One witness testified that he barely escaped the eight to ten foot high flames caused by the arson. The fire consumed 139 acres of public land and destroyed all evidence of the game violations. After committing the arson, Steven Hammond called the BLM office in Burns, Oregon and claimed the fire was started on Hammond property to burn off invasive species and had inadvertently burned onto public lands. Dwight and Steven Hammond told one of their relatives to keep his mouth shut and that nobody needed to know about the fire.

The jury also convicted Steven Hammond of using fire to destroy federal property regarding a 2006 arson known as the Krumbo Butte Fire located in the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and Steen Mountain Cooperative Management and Protection Area. An August lightning storm started numerous fires and a burn ban was in effect while BLM firefighters fought those fires. Despite the ban, without permission or notification to BLM, Steven Hammond started several “back fires” in an attempt save the ranch’s winter feed. The fires burned onto public land and were seen by BLM firefighters camped nearby. The firefighters took steps to ensure their safety and reported the arsons.

By law, arson on federal land carries a five-year mandatory minimum sentence. When the Hammonds were originally sentenced, they argued that the five-year mandatory minimum terms were unconstitutional and the trial court agreed and imposed sentences well below what the law required based upon the jury’s verdicts. The Ninth Circuit Court of Appeals, however, upheld the federal law, reasoning that “given the seriousness of arson, a five-year sentence is not grossly disproportionate to the offense.” The court vacated the original, unlawful sentences and ordered that the Hammonds be resentenced “in compliance with the law.” In March 2015, the Supreme Court rejected the Hammonds’ petitions for certiorari. Today, Chief Judge Aiken imposed five year prison terms on each of the Hammonds, with credit for time they already served.

“We all know the devastating effects that are caused by wildfires. Fires intentionally and illegally set on public lands, even those in a remote area, threaten property and residents and endanger firefighters called to battle the blaze” stated Acting U.S. Attorney Billy Williams.

“Congress sought to ensure that anyone who maliciously damages United States’ property by fire will serve at least 5 years in prison. These sentences are intended to be long enough to deter those like the Hammonds who disregard the law and place fire fighters and others in jeopardy.”
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So they just burned the flag,on a larger scale
 
Sportello

Sportello

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SPH, excellent post.

This is a Reddit discussion of the topic:
https://www.reddit.com/r/news/comments/3z7v0o/militia_takes_over_malheur_national_wildlife/

Here is the top rated comment:

Prologue: Cliven Bundy is a rancher from Nevada that was involved in an armed standoff with the federal government. There was a long standing fight about the Bureau of Land Management (BLM) denying ranchers what they, the ranchers, thought was their right to let their cattle graze on government land. Bundy felt that he didn't have to pay the tax for letting his cattle graze on the land so he stopped paying it back in the 1990s. The feds said they were going to impound his cattle for the $1+ million debt to the government. Many ranchers called this a major overreach by the feds and it gathered support of many far right conservatives. Some went so far as to show up armed and prepared to fight the federal government. The federal government did get a court order to impound the cattle, however, the BLM decided to not enforce the order: "Based on information about conditions on the ground, and in consultation with law enforcement, we have made a decision to conclude the cattle gather because of our serious concern about the safety of employees and members of the public."

More detailed story is here: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...ween-cliven-bundy-and-the-federal-government/[1] and here https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bundy_standoff[2]

Chapter 1: The Arsonists

Some ranchers made a fire that spread to BLM land. They also set a fire to destroy evidence of deer poaching. The federal government charged them with arson and managed to get a conviction. They were sentenced and served the sentenced issued initially. It was less than the mandatory minimum. The appeals court tells them to go back and serve the minimum sentence of 5 years. Cliven's sons calls on his army from his protest to show up and help protest these ranchers going to jail.

More detailed story here: http://www.oregonlive.com/pacific-n...f/2015/12/ranchers_fight_with_feds_spark.html[3]

Chapter 2: The Bundys are Back!

The Bundys gathered some of these protesters to take over a wildlife refuge in Oregon. They have said they plan on living there for years and have called on others to join them to fight. Someone who joined them has sent a "goodbye video" to his family. One has said "I want to die a free man." Rumor has it that there are over 100 armed fighters and they have stockpiled supplies to survive.

Chapter 3: A Bundy Speaks

One of the sons have posted a video to their Facebook page and outlined that they are protesting the federal government putting the people in poverty by regulating the natural resources they need for their businesses. They also said that if they do not stand up now they might not be able to in the future. He also stated he did not want to cause anyone harm and confirmed that they are armed.

If you want to see the video it is on the Bundy Ranch facebook page.
 
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stopsperhour said:
Living in California, I've seen the damage and loss of life fires can cause. Both natural and man made. Try making that statement to someone who lost a family member or their home due to some POS arsonist.
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Number one sorry you live there. Number two I really don't think killing people was on the list. Maybe you should worry about the illegals committing crimes.


Oh wait its California. Never mind.
 
Sportello

Sportello

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oldngray said:
They were never charged with terrorism and now after they have completed their sentences imposed by the judicial system a judge wants to arbitrarily change things and add terrorism (which they were never convicted of). He is exceeding his authority.
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This is a distortion of, if not a complete fabrication of the facts in this case.

They were found guilty of a Federal crime, arson on Federal land. The trial judge felt it was unconstitutional, and ruled from the bench to not impose the minimum mandatory sentence. The Appeals court ruled the law was Constitutional.

Geez.

http://www.justice.gov/usao-or/pr/e...convicted-arson-resentenced-five-years-prison
 

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