Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Union guy, Sep 11, 2016.

  1. Union guy

    Union guy New Member

    Just wondering if anyone has filed on Orion system yet on making your miles or staying in trace they are now disqualifying new drivers for miles and trace if anyone has filed plz let me no the outcome if u won I would love to have the grievance number and location and date plz help!
  2. jaker

    jaker trolling

    Is it all drivers our just one , it should be a easy fight

    Orion doesn't care about schools or business hours and commit times , so you have to break trace because it is still our responsibility to make sure those are done

    That right there is your main argument , then you have misloads and helping someone with a pickup
  3. Gumby

    Gumby *

    If you are trying to qualify, they can make up just about any reason
  4. livin the dream

    livin the dream Active Member

    yea they'd look the other way if they wanted to keep the driver. I never followed Orion when qualifying and didn't hear anything about it.
  5. barnyard

    barnyard KTM rider Staff Member

    I thought (I read it here...) the only DQ that a person could grieve when qualifying was not being on the same route for their qualification period.

    I would suggest, if you are still qualifying and a supe tells you to follow Orion, follow it. Break trace only for business and commits, then go right back to trace. If a supe says something the next day, respond, "You told me to follow Orion. I did. What would you suggest??" and then do not say anything, do not suggest an answer, be silent and wait for a reply. Have your shop steward with you for this conversation.
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  6. toonertoo

    toonertoo Most Awesome Dog Staff Member

    Good answer barnyard
  7. Union guy

    Union guy New Member

    all Trainey' are being disqualified for going over miles now and now they are starting to call regular drivers in the office that's why I wanted to no if there is a decision out there on this matter
  8. Gumby

    Gumby *

    And again, not the whole story I'm sure
  9. Union guy

    Union guy New Member

    It's above sup's reach I've been in the office they are fighting to keep the guys but now I.e has to approve any new packet
  10. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    We just had a guy qualify and there was nothing said about trace or miles.
  11. Gumby

    Gumby *

    Like I said, this is not the whole story
  12. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    Yeah, no. That's not remotely true.
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  13. StoptheAct1212

    StoptheAct1212 Active Member

    I highly doubt they dq them for not making orion numbers....
  14. scooby0048

    scooby0048 This page left intentionally blank

    They are pulling drivers in the office here for not following it 100%. Is this not a technological advancement not discussed in the current contract? And, if we are told to follow trace 100% but break to get biz and commits off, at what point do you return to trace if you have biz and commits all throughout the day? Do you do each and every biz and each and every commit first, which on some routes, would entail pretty much unloading complete sections and shelves of the truck.

    These are all things that need to addressed in the next contract (not that there is any true consistency with policies or procedures at UPS) but until then I can't see how they can discipline drivers for not following Orion.
  15. scooby0048

    scooby0048 This page left intentionally blank

    You've been good about being truthful to us, don't start lying now! You know damn well everything in the world revolves around IE and their decisions.
  16. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    IE does not make that decision.
  17. FrigidFTSup

    FrigidFTSup Resident Suit

    They have no iron in that fire.
  18. UpstateNYUPSer

    UpstateNYUPSer Very proud grandfather.

    ..and why would they...all they care is that every seat has a butt in it...
  19. Wally

    Wally Hailing from Parts Unknown.

  20. dudebro

    dudebro Active Member

    Everything about planned time and planned staffing does. Actual people decisions have nothing to do with IE.

    e.g. IE was involved in the decision for the center to have 85 assigned drivers.

    IE doesn't tell that center that driver Harry Balls is, or isn't, one of those 85.
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