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[BadLarry238]

Once again you're trying to place a public service (USPS) in the same group as private enterprise operations which are organized and regulated under different rules.
Couple of months ago a guy mentioned to me about UPS or FDX taking over (USPS) operations. My response? " Do you really think Fat Freddy's going to lug your first class letter from Boise to Boston for $0.55? Put a 5 to the left of that decimal point and he might think about it."

Speaking of "beloved government" how's it doing with being encumbered with the task of picking up your old man's hospital bills? After all it was his responsibility to see to it that he made enough money over the course of his lifetime to pay his bills rung up during the back end of his years. Isn't that what "conservativism" is all about? Right now his bills are being paid courtesy of liberalism. Just think of the payment pressures he would be facing today if Bob Dole had succeeded in his efforts to get the Medicare Bill back into committee where he believed had the chance to kill it. BTW, who's taking care of the extremely elderly Bob Dole these days?

Oh that's right. According to you any government program that you or your direct family members can draw benefits from is fine and dandy. Those that you don't qualify for is "socialism" and needs to be abolished.

If it wasn't for the benefits so called "conservatives" are currently drawing they would find themselves too busy trying to survive rather than sitting around watching Fox News s all day..

Someone forgot to take their lithium this morning...jeeezus!

 

[bacha29]

Tripe.

There are people who say something and people who have something to say.... Then there's you.

 

[vantexan]

Once again you're trying to place a public service (USPS) in the same group as private enterprise operations which are organized and regulated under different rules.
Couple of months ago a guy mentioned to me about UPS or FDX taking over (USPS) operations. My response? " Do you really think Fat Freddy's going to lug your first class letter from Boise to Boston for $0.55? Put a 5 to the left of that decimal point and he might think about it."

Speaking of "beloved government" how's it doing with being encumbered with the task of picking up your old man's hospital bills? After all it was his responsibility to see to it that he made enough money over the course of his lifetime to pay his bills rung up during the back end of his years. Isn't that what "conservativism" is all about? Right now his bills are being paid courtesy of liberalism. Just think of the payment pressures he would be facing today if Bob Dole had succeeded in his efforts to get the Medicare Bill back into committee where he believed had the chance to kill it. BTW, who's taking care of the extremely elderly Bob Dole these days?

Oh that's right. According to you any government program that you or your direct family members can draw benefits from is fine and dandy. Those that you don't qualify for is "socialism" and needs to be abolished.

If it wasn't for the benefits so called "conservatives" are currently drawing they would find themselves too busy trying to survive rather than sitting around watching Fox News s all day..

It's socialism to create programs that make people dependent on government largesse instead of fending for themselves. That doesn't include programs like Social Security which at least is funded from earnings. If you want people to have an available program for everything then fund it the right way. If you don't have the money then don't create ever more debt to fund it.

Your service of last resort Post Office is in the condition it's in because it didn't compete with those private enterprises all around them. It just relied on government bailouts. I don't hate the Post Office, think it's an honorable institution. But times change and you have to keep up with the changes. And people in remote areas are doing just that. Technology allows them to choose to live there, not government services. I was delivering 50 lb bags of dog food to a lady who lived 30 miles from the nearest supermarket. She bought it on Amazon, got free delivery, saved a lot of gas. Smart. People learn to cope because that's where they want to be. They don't want to be led by the hand, told how terrible their lives are because they don't have immediate access to this or that. My wife and I lived in a remote town that had plenty going on, population about 20,000, biggest town for many miles in any direction. But every weekend we drove the 240 mile roundtrip to Tucson for amenities we didn't have locally. Made a nice day of it. It's what people in such situations do.

 

[bacha29]

It's socialism to create programs that make people dependent on government largesse instead of fending for themselves. That doesn't include programs like Social Security which at least is funded from earnings. If you want people to have an available program for everything then fund it the right way. If you don't have the money then don't create ever more debt to fund it.

Your service of last resort Post Office is in the condition it's in because it didn't compete with those private enterprises all around them. It just relied on government bailouts. I don't hate the Post Office, think it's an honorable institution. But times change and you have to keep up with the changes. And people in remote areas are doing just that. Technology allows them to choose to live there, not government services. I was delivering 50 lb bags of dog food to a lady who lived 30 miles from the nearest supermarket. She bought it on Amazon, got free delivery, saved a lot of gas. Smart. People learn to cope because that's where they want to be. They don't want to be led by the hand, told how terrible their lives are because they don't have immediate access to this or that. My wife and I lived in a remote town that had plenty going on, population about 20,000, biggest town for many miles in any direction. But every weekend we drove the 240 mile roundtrip to Tucson for amenities we didn't have locally. Made a nice day of it. It's what people in such situations do.

In the aftermath of your lecture expounding upon the virtues of conservatism tell me will you be financially independent to the degree that you will not need any state or federal social program assistance going forward nor have you received any in the past?
You're simply one among many people I've encountered who were constantly demonizing Democrat social programs. However, upon further review it turns out that they have received plenty of benefits in the past because they represented their only option given their individual situation , are currently receiving benefits and will file for benefits in the future. When I call them out on it they then like you start to cherry pick the programs seeking to exempt from their wrath those from which they are collecting benefits or will so in the future.

BTW a friend of mine has invited me to have dinner next Tuesday night with him and an individual who will formally announce his candidacy for high level statewide office in the next few days. I'm sure will discuss whether the party should continue to oppose GOP efforts to eviscerate current entitlement programs given that's what the conservative base wants while wrongly believing that it will only hurt others but not themselves.

So tell me did you "fend for yourself" and turn down things like unemployment compensation given your large number of employment separations? . So tell us all about your independence.

BTW , As Ben Stein a dyed in the wool Republican who worked for Nixon and a strong supporter of the neighborhood post office given that it anchored the social fabric of small rural communities pointed out, the problem with the USPS is that it's rates are too low.

 

[Fred's Myth]

In the aftermath of your lecture expounding upon the virtues of conservatism tell me will you be financially independent to the degree that you will not need any state or federal social program assistance going forward nor have you received any in the past?
You're simply one among many people I've encountered who were constantly demonizing Democrat social programs. However, upon further review it turns out that they have received plenty of benefits in the past because they represented their only option given their individual situation , are currently receiving benefits and will file for benefits in the future. When I call them out on it they then like you start to cherry pick the programs seeking to exempt from their wrath those from which they are collecting benefits or will so in the future.

BTW a friend of mine has invited me to have dinner next Tuesday night with him and an individual who will formally announce his candidacy for high level statewide office in the next few days. I'm sure will discuss whether the party should continue to oppose GOP efforts to eviscerate current entitlement programs given that's what the conservative base wants while wrongly believing that it will only hurt others but not themselves.

So tell me did you "fend for yourself" and turn down things like unemployment compensation given your large number of employment separations? . So tell us all about your independence.

BTW , As Ben Stein a dyed in the wool Republican who worked for Nixon and a strong supporter of the neighborhood post office given that it anchored the social fabric of small rural communities pointed out, the problem with the USPS is that it's rates are too low.Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices.

Don't know where you got your backward definition of conservatism, but I suspect it originated with YOU.


Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices.

Conservatism is a preference for the historically inherited rather than the abstract and ideal. This preference has traditionally rested on an organic conception of society—that is, on the belief that society is not merely a loose collection of individuals but a living organism comprising closely connected, interdependent members. Conservatives thus favor institutions and practices that have evolved gradually and are manifestations of continuity and stability. Government’s responsibility is to be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life, and politicians must therefore resist the temptation to transform society and politics.

conservatism | History, Intellectual Foundations, & Examples

Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices and their gradual evolution under conditions of continuity and stability. They generally believe that government should be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life.

www.britannica.com

 

[vantexan]

In the aftermath of your lecture expounding upon the virtues of conservatism tell me will you be financially independent to the degree that you will not need any state or federal social program assistance going forward nor have you received any in the past?
You're simply one among many people I've encountered who were constantly demonizing Democrat social programs. However, upon further review it turns out that they have received plenty of benefits in the past because they represented their only option given their individual situation , are currently receiving benefits and will file for benefits in the future. When I call them out on it they then like you start to cherry pick the programs seeking to exempt from their wrath those from which they are collecting benefits or will so in the future.

BTW a friend of mine has invited me to have dinner next Tuesday night with him and an individual who will formally announce his candidacy for high level statewide office in the next few days. I'm sure will discuss whether the party should continue to oppose GOP efforts to eviscerate current entitlement programs given that's what the conservative base wants while wrongly believing that it will only hurt others but not themselves.

So tell me did you "fend for yourself" and turn down things like unemployment compensation given your large number of employment separations? . So tell us all about your independence.

BTW , As Ben Stein a dyed in the wool Republican who worked for Nixon and a strong supporter of the neighborhood post office given that it anchored the social fabric of small rural communities pointed out, the problem with the USPS is that it's rates are too low.

Have never taken unemployment. Have paid into Federal systems but as yet haven't received any payments. Yawn.

 

[bacha29]

Have never taken unemployment. Have paid into Federal systems but as yet haven't received any payments. Yawn.

Not long ago you freely admitted the fact that you haven't paid any federal income taxes in years. LMAO.

 

[dmac1]

It's socialism to create programs that make people dependent on government largesse instead of fending for themselves. That doesn't include programs like Social Security which at least is funded from earnings. If you want people to have an available program for everything then fund it the right way. If you don't have the money then don't create ever more debt to fund it.

Your service of last resort Post Office is in the condition it's in because it didn't compete with those private enterprises all around them. It just relied on government bailouts. I don't hate the Post Office, think it's an honorable institution. But times change and you have to keep up with the changes. And people in remote areas are doing just that. Technology allows them to choose to live there, not government services. I was delivering 50 lb bags of dog food to a lady who lived 30 miles from the nearest supermarket. She bought it on Amazon, got free delivery, saved a lot of gas. Smart. People learn to cope because that's where they want to be. They don't want to be led by the hand, told how terrible their lives are because they don't have immediate access to this or that. My wife and I lived in a remote town that had plenty going on, population about 20,000, biggest town for many miles in any direction. But every weekend we drove the 240 mile roundtrip to Tucson for amenities we didn't have locally. Made a nice day of it. It's what people in such situations do.

All the social programs are funded from earnings, or added to the debt. Public roads are socialist, public schools are socialist, public defense of the country is socialist, spending public dollars to protect the seaways from piracy to keep wealthy shippers from losing money is socialist. fire and police departments are socialist, and even insurance-private insurance- is socialism on a small scale in one sense, especially when something like car insurance is required by law..
Society' itself is socialist, because people fond hundreds of thousands of years ago that working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier.

 

[dmac1]

Have never taken unemployment. Have paid into Federal systems but as yet haven't received any payments. Yawn.

Do you drive on public roads???? Yes, so you have used public resources paid for by taxes, Have you ever needed the police or fire departments' help? Then you HAVE taken public dollars. Did you ever live somewhere that was on a city water supply or sewer system????? Or use a contractor who was certified by the county or state????? ALL of that can be considered as being socialist. and even if you went to private schools, the school almost certainly got some form of federal assistance- maybe even if only a tax exemption for the school or a property tax exemption..

 

[vantexan]

Not long ago you freely admitted the fact that you haven't paid any federal income taxes in years. LMAO.

You do know taxes were taken out of my paychecks? I didn't file, that's all. Since getting my pension I haven't paid taxes so do owe some but not much. With all that laughing and scoffing you might hurt yourself. And I'm heading to Argentina in January. Should save about $900 a month so will get caught up. Have you ever asked yourself why with all the money printing we're even having to pay taxes?

 

[bacha29]

You do know taxes were taken out of my paychecks? I didn't file, that's all. Since getting my pension I haven't paid taxes so do owe some but not much. With all that laughing and scoffing you might hurt yourself. And I'm heading to Argentina in January. Should save about $900 a month so will get caught up. Have you ever asked yourself why with all the money printing we're even having to pay taxes?

Sure you were still subject to FICA for FICA supported programs which you will draw benefits from not far down the road. But what if the legislation that created those programs failed to pass in Congress? Like I said....if your ideology is in direct conflict with those programs simply refuse to accept the benefits and launch a grass roots campaign to get the legislation repealed, similar to what the Tea Party undertook a few years back.... That was until it's many elderly members discovered that many of the federal programs the Tea Party wanted repealed and ended were the ones that they were literally surviving on.

 

[bacha29]

Don't know where you got your backward definition of conservatism, but I suspect it originated with YOU.


Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices.

Conservatism is a preference for the historically inherited rather than the abstract and ideal. This preference has traditionally rested on an organic conception of society—that is, on the belief that society is not merely a loose collection of individuals but a living organism comprising closely connected, interdependent members. Conservatives thus favor institutions and practices that have evolved gradually and are manifestations of continuity and stability. Government’s responsibility is to be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life, and politicians must therefore resist the temptation to transform society and politics.

conservatism | History, Intellectual Foundations, & Examples

Conservatism, political doctrine that emphasizes the value of traditional institutions and practices and their gradual evolution under conditions of continuity and stability. They generally believe that government should be the servant, not the master, of existing ways of life.

www.britannica.com

In the aftermath of your little lecture I have just one question. Just exactly what specific measures are you currently practicing in support of your "conservative" ideology? Conservative talking points are just that talk if they are not being practiced in real life on an everyday basis.

 

[bacha29]

Do you drive on public roads???? Yes, so you have used public resources paid for by taxes, Have you ever needed the police or fire departments' help? Then you HAVE taken public dollars. Did you ever live somewhere that was on a city water supply or sewer system????? Or use a contractor who was certified by the county or state????? ALL of that can be considered as being socialist. and even if you went to private schools, the school almost certainly got some form of federal assistance- maybe even if only a tax exemption for the school or a property tax exemption..

Spot on. The radical right continues to instill a fear of socialism in the minds of not too perceptive or well educated people who fail the realize the extent to which the country is already socialistic in the design and application of many publicly funded programs that they use and enjoy everyday.

 

[Fred's Myth]

In the aftermath of your little lecture I have just one question. Just exactly what specific measures are you currently practicing in support of your "conservative" ideology? Conservative talking points are just that talk if they are not being practiced in real life on an everyday basis.

“Most of us have heard banal quips of this variety too many times from educated people to assume that only uneducated rubes could mistake basic government functions and services with socialism, an ideology that involves “abolishing private ownership of the things we all need and use — factories, banks, offices, natural resources, utilities, communication and transportation infrastructure — and replacing it with social ownership, thereby undercutting the power of elites to hoard wealth and power.”

Socialism is Not ‘Public Roads’ and '911 Service'

Evidence suggests that socialism is becoming more popular in the United States Yet there is reason to believe this is at least partly because Americans are pretty much clueless as to what...

www.intellectualtakeout.org

 

[dmac1]

You do know taxes were taken out of my paychecks? I didn't file, that's all. Since getting my pension I haven't paid taxes so do owe some but not much. With all that laughing and scoffing you might hurt yourself. And I'm heading to Argentina in January. Should save about $900 a month so will get caught up. Have you ever asked yourself why with all the money printing we're even having to pay taxes?

You said you never collected unemployment as if you believed it was the only form of socialism in the country. I pointed out that you have used MANY forms of socialist assitance, other than the ones you don't like, like extra help in buying food if one is low income, or rental assistance. I am sure you hate those, but sure don' mind paying for the police, or public roads, or the US Navy and Coast Guard, or the Border Patrol. Those are ALL socialist programs deigned to help some or all people here because no one can do it alone. You seem to dislike the social programs that help the poor, or just have a distain for those that may use the programs. Claiming that you have never collected unemployment seemed, as written, to state that those who may have used the program are somehow less worthy.

 

[59 Dano]

All the social programs are funded from earnings, or added to the debt. Public roads are socialist, public schools are socialist, public defense of the country is socialist, spending public dollars to protect the seaways from piracy to keep wealthy shippers from losing money is socialist. fire and police departments are socialist, and even insurance-private insurance- is socialism on a small scale in one sense, especially when something like car insurance is required by law..
Society' itself is socialist, because people fond hundreds of thousands of years ago that working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier.

That's so incredibly stupid that it's hard to actually point out how stupid it really is.

Cavemen were these highly intelligent beings that mutual collaboration benefits society (they lived in groups of no more than a few hundred) and makes life easier, which is really saying something considering that they ate one another. Too bad they barely had any language at all outside of some grunts and couldn't write all this down, but you seem to think they figured it all out.

That out of the way, there is truth to the idea that people voluntarily working together benefits more people and generally makes life easier. In fact, it is the premise of capitalism -not socialism- and the concept was explored at length in Adam Smith's The Wealth of Nations, first published in 1776.

What you posted is so silly that no one outside of Bacha would agree with it.

 

[Fred's Myth]

You said you never collected unemployment as if you believed it was the only form of socialism in the country. I pointed out that you have used MANY forms of socialist assitance, other than the ones you don't like, like extra help in buying food if one is low income, or rental assistance. I am sure you hate those, but sure don' mind paying for the police, or public roads, or the US Navy and Coast Guard, or the Border Patrol. Those are ALL socialist programs deigned to help some or all people here because no one can do it alone. You seem to dislike the social programs that help the poor, or just have a distain for those that may use the programs. Claiming that you have never collected unemployment seemed, as written, to state that those who may have used the program are somehow less worthy.

Not Socialism.

Educate yourself.

 

[bacha29]

Not Socialism.

Educate yourself.

Of course it's not socialism if it's a federal publicly funded program you can draw benefits from.

 

[bacha29]

You said you never collected unemployment as if you believed it was the only form of socialism in the country. I pointed out that you have used MANY forms of socialist assitance, other than the ones you don't like, like extra help in buying food if one is low income, or rental assistance. I am sure you hate those, but sure don' mind paying for the police, or public roads, or the US Navy and Coast Guard, or the Border Patrol. Those are ALL socialist programs deigned to help some or all people here because no one can do it alone. You seem to dislike the social programs that help the poor, or just have a distain for those that may use the programs. Claiming that you have never collected unemployment seemed, as written, to state that those who may have used the program are somehow less worthy.

Spot on. Socialism shines right in their eyes every morning when they turn on the bathroom light and the bulb lights up courtesy of the state and federally regulated public electric utility grid that serves the American public it is designed to serve.

 

[59 Dano]

Spot on. Socialism shines right in their eyes every morning when they turn on the bathroom light and the bulb lights up courtesy of the state and federally regulated public electric utility grid that serves the American public it is designed to serve.

I love it! "EVERYTHING IS SOCIALISM!!!"

Can we get the full progressive pants-on-head experience? Can you please argue that Jesus, Christianity, and assorted Bible verses support even the most extreme liberal positions, as others have claimed? Please?