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hellfire,i would love that kind of talk, im finding it harder and harder to find people to talk to,
Everyone needs someone to talk to.
I hope this changes for you.
Sincerely,
I
hellfire,i would love that kind of talk, im finding it harder and harder to find people to talk to,
What if the violator tells you to friend--- off??? What then??
File a grievance for you and a preloader to get paid for all time worked off the clock. I guarantee the company will stop it after paying a few times!!
Can we all sit in a circle, hold hands and sing "Kumbaya"?
Package Car Drivers who don't do their job the right way are responsible for setting the Unfair Production Standards that are being brought upon all.
Do your part in setting Production Standards with Integrity and not against him!
Sincerely,
I
CharleyHustle,The union (that is all the employees covered under the CBA) does not recognize company work standards let alone set them. The more you keep harping about standards the sooner we will be forced to recognize them. If you feel that someone is working off the clock there are grievance procedures that can be followed. Throughout history, there have been large differences in peoples ability to do differing tasks. Lou Gerhig was a better baseball player than Wally Pipp (although if you look him up, Pipp was no slouch). We aren't robots all doing the same exact thing day after day. The union doesn't recognize standards because standards are unfair but because everyone is different.
CharleyHustle,
I don't mean to be harping.
Please forgive me if I appear to be.
I hope you don't hold individuals who want to discuss and speak out about production standards responsible when the union leaders cave in and finally agree to company production standards and measurements.
When the union does this, it will be because of the weakness that exists at the Leadership level of the union.
It is my belief that this will happen and that the local and national leadership will blame the rank and file for not filing grievances on issues that are related to this.
Many on this site will agree with this because many wrongfully believe that the membership is the union.
The union leaders should start to rally the union members in areas that they can control.
Themselves.
"The best way to hold UPS accountable is to do everthing exactly as you are trained to do it." It has been reported to me that Union leaders often use this statement.
They say this, but they do little to see that this is carried out by the membership.
The only union like way to work is to do The union will be strengthened if all the weak anti-union workers are shown the door.
Union leaders should let the membership no that anti-union workers will not be tolerated.
Sincerely,
I
CharleyHustle,You really don't "get it". The "leadership" can't "cave in" on anything. They bargain and negotiate, but only the rank and file can "cave in" and vote it in. If you don't like the current leadership then you are free to run a canidate. But if you think taking a hard stand on "production standards" is your best bet to get elected I feel you'll get trounced.
Let me ask you this. If you take 2 (or 5 or 20 or 70,000) UPS workers and give them the exact same work over their shift and they all do "everything exactly as you are trained and exacly by the contract", do you think they will be done at exactly the same time? The realization is that no-one would be done at the exact same time and thus there can be no production standard. Actually the leadership has done everything they can do by negotiating only a fair days work for a fair days pay. The only way we will get a production standard is if uninformed hourly feel they need to harass the leadership to get a "fair" standard.
I started this thread to express what is the cause of the "Unfair Production Standards".
Unfair production standards come from the cheaters who don't do their job the right way, the way they were trained by UPS and by the contract.
When I say standards I am refering to the measurements that are fairly established by, in this case a fair time study, to be used as a basis for comparison.
Anyone, even a union supporter should agree that a company needs to have the right to do comparisons like this.
Union supporters should also agree that it is anti-union cheaters who help the company by participating in unfair time studies that result in these unfair standards of measurement who are the cause.
This behavior is what needs to be changed, whatever the cost!
2 or 5 or 20 or 70,000 employees each giving the same amount of effort will probably not be done at exactly the same time. They . Not established by anti-union cheaters.
The variables that could could affect the measurement could include, but not be limited to, age and physical condition. I think there are many other variables that could effect the measurement on a given day.
Sincerely,
I
I have not seen a 9.5 grievance in a month, except the one I filed. If all 30 of them filed per their contractual rights, I guarantee something would be done. At the very least they would keep you under for 3 days. Thats the problem with the world today. Everything is all about me, no one gives a rats arse about the good of the group or the consequences of todays actions in the future!!
...He DRIVER RELEASE IN AREAS that's not driver release. door open. BUT THAT'S OKAY, He's company pet.
i would love that kind of talk, im finding it harder and harder to find people to talk to,
On Mondays, "John Doe's" route is cut so I run his apartment complex. The apt office doesn't accept parcels for their tenants so I have 5 or 6 send-agains. On Tuesday, "John Doe" is back at work and dr's those packages. Wednesday morning, my sup comes to me and makes me sign a form because I didn't dr those packages on Monday. I write in big letters on the form "this is an apartment complex and I have signed a dr certification stating that I will not dr apartments. These packages should not have been driver released!"
This has happened almost every week for the past 2 months. The sup just looks at what I've written and puts the form aside. The "John Doe" has never once been reprimanded for this because it takes much less time to dr than get signatures and he never has any send-agains.
My point is that most sups look the other way when their "pets" do the job incorrectly because their performance helps their numbers. It's the way it's always been here and always will be here. Management is nothing but hypocrites who preach one thing but then do another. Do as I say, not as I do!
Like preaching safety and then forcing employees to work 12 hour shifts in 95+ degree heat.
I don't think it says you cannot sign, it is more along the lines that anything you DO sign is null and void as extra-contract agreements. correct me if I'm wrong, don't have contract right in front of me.Why are you signing anything? Art. 6, Sect. 1 in contract clearly states we can't.
I think you are right. But, for drama's sake, I like my version better!
Sleeve_meet_Heart,I don't think it says you cannot sign, it is more along the lines that anything you DO sign is null and void as extra-contract agreements. correct me if I'm wrong, don't have contract right in front of me.