Questioning Authority: The New Labor Movement

TheVoice

United Prole. Socialist
A topic as real as the times.
As real as the state of affairs,
the state of our state of un-grace.

There is little doubt that we are at a bypass in the organized labor movement.
A digression from the ways of old, a bridge between the gaps of the methods of the past, and the methods of the future. Some might even argue that we are on a pathway that is going to go full circle. A revolt leading to a revolution, a calm before a storm.

This is evident, not only, in the questioning of the bourgeoisie corporations, but in the very questioning of our own proletarian representatives, the unions. This is not a questioning that implies that organized labor is not needed, it is an inquisition that implies that, perhaps what is needed, is not being addressed.

There are many reasons for which this can be so, but none more prevalent than the question of corruption, or ulterior motive(s). The formula of old cannot be applied to remedy a situation that has changed beyond the reach of its rules of engagement. Therefore, the rules of engagement must be changed. They must evolve.

More and more, there is being illuminated, a class within a class system. A separation, within the unions, between those that have, and those that have-not. This is being widened at alarming rates. A fracture from which no good, no solidarity can come. In short, those at the top of the structure, give the appearance they are fleeing a sinking ship in life-boats, while the rest of us are left on board polishing the brass, if it were.

All of this can be clearly seen in our current situation here at UPS/Teamsters. The very fact that there is the number of people that are discontent with the current “tentative” contract, despite our International leaders, local leaders telling us to vote yes, is evident that there in lies a silent majority that, evidently does not do surveys, and does not blindly fall into line, does not conform to a structure that is obviously not sound.

The real question is, who if anyone will learn from this? And does anyone care?

(Yes, I realize that this soliloquy is a bit inflated, I cant help it, when I write topics, I do so in word document, which I then cut and paste, and it doesn’t come out unless I present it in essay form…so for Tie, and Sat, and you guys that hate me for writing like this, I apologize ahead of time, I really do talk normal...whatever that is, But aside from the normal I hate you for sounding like a nerd, I would also be intrested in hearing what the management people think about this topic)
 

tieguy

Banned
Its an interesting question and one thats very relevant. If the teamsters do not deliver the vote for this offer then how does the company negotiate with union leadership that does not have its members support.

Its interesting to see members who preach soladarity pushing other members for a no vote. If you truly support the concept of a united union vote then you vote yes on an offer that your leadership agrees to.

You can't push soladarity from the grass roots. It has to come from the leadership and the members have to see the wisdom behind following a united front.

So I think you have hit on a very relevant point and one that probably threatens the unions existence. Once they stop delivering the vote then they lose all credibility as a bargaining agent.

If I am some other employer that has to negotiate with the teamsters I will be watching this one very closely. Master frieght up for renewal soon?
 

TheVoice

United Prole. Socialist
I think I understand what your saying. Only I have a different interpretation of solidarity. Solidarity does not always have to imply a collective vote in the same direction. There can be solidarity within the structure of the union itself, with a divided vote, provided that the losing party accepts the majority’s decision.

Solidarity doesn’t always have to mean we all agree with everything. For me, it means the support of the system, not necessarily the current governing body of that system…much like (and I realize I have used this analogy before) we might have solidarity as Americans, but don’t always support the same political parties, or current decisions made by those political parities. But we still support democracy; we still show our solidarity in that belief system.

I think you understand, that it is a very hard position for a person to be in; a structure that one believes in, but does not believe in the way that system is being run, or represented.

Naturally, there would be people with ulterior motives/priorities, waiting in the wings for any sign of fracturing within that system. But as long as there is labor, there will always be “organized labor,” we are just at a time of reconstruction…which perhaps, as I am sure you would agree, comes by way of destruction first…as bleak as that sounds. I don’t believe that is happening all at once, but it is gradually happening.

Anyway, thanks for participating Tie. I respect your input.
 

705red

Browncafe Steward
Its an interesting question and one thats very relevant. If the teamsters do not deliver the vote for this offer then how does the company negotiate with union leadership that does not have its members support.

Its interesting to see members who preach soladarity pushing other members for a no vote. If you truly support the concept of a united union vote then you vote yes on an offer that your leadership agrees to.

You can't push soladarity from the grass roots. It has to come from the leadership and the members have to see the wisdom behind following a united front.

So I think you have hit on a very relevant point and one that probably threatens the unions existence. Once they stop delivering the vote then they lose all credibility as a bargaining agent.

If I am some other employer that has to negotiate with the teamsters I will be watching this one very closely. Master frieght up for renewal soon?
Tie do you agree with everything that ups asks of you to do?
 
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BrownShark2

Guest
Its an interesting question and one thats very relevant. If the teamsters do not deliver the vote for this offer then how does the company negotiate with union leadership that does not have its members support.

Its interesting to see members who preach soladarity pushing other members for a no vote. If you truly support the concept of a united union vote then you vote yes on an offer that your leadership agrees to.

You can't push soladarity from the grass roots. It has to come from the leadership and the members have to see the wisdom behind following a united front.

So I think you have hit on a very relevant point and one that probably threatens the unions existence. Once they stop delivering the vote then they lose all credibility as a bargaining agent.

If I am some other employer that has to negotiate with the teamsters I will be watching this one very closely. Master frieght up for renewal soon?

TIEGUY,

You are issing a big part of Unionism. Unlike you management types, you work for the company and do what you are told without the benefit of being able to think outside the box and make a decision solely yours with respect to the operation. You are given your dispatch, you are given your set of hours to work with, you are given your directives for the operation and you must follow them to the letter no matter how negatively it affects the business, even though you may know better. Managers everyday compalin that the "thinking" part of the job has been taken away and "sheeplike" is whats expected by UPS.

This is the dynamic of employer and employee.

The Union and its various administrations from the local leadership to our General President work for US. WE ARE THE EMPLOYER.

They answer to US, they do what WE tell them to do, WE decide what is in our best interests, WE send them to so do a job with instructions that WE expect them to carry out to the letter. WE have never sent them there to do what was in "THEIR" best interests.

When "THEY" go outside the scope of whats in "OUR" best interests, then they will face the scrutiny of the member employers. "THEY" can be replaced, as you can if you go outside the parameters of your daily instruction.

The local leadership of all the locals involved, including the General President is well aware that this contract in its current form, may cost them their office in the next elections.

In my local (396) the H slate is clearly on the hot seat for its participation in this agreement and for other misdoings and failure to represent and bad judgements in striking companies that resulted in the loss of jobs of its members that it was suppose to protect.

The UNION is the membership. Thats us. Pure and simple.

Those dues monies "WE" pay shall used to discuss this contract with US, take our feedback and apply that feedback in a new round of negotiations.

For me, I cannot understand how the Teamsters and its Officers layed down and did not force the company to bring its LAST, BEST & FINAL offer to the table. Instead, it appears they simply took what was on the table, kissed UPS's * on the way out and brought it to us with the fresh smell of * all over it.

The topic of this thread is Questioning Authority, I think I have.

Peace.
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
TIEGUY,


The Union and its various administrations from the local leadership to our General President work for US. WE ARE THE EMPLOYER.

They answer to US, they do what WE tell them to do, WE decide what is in our best interests, WE send them to so do a job with instructions that WE expect them to carry out to the letter. WE have never sent them there to do what was in "THEIR" best interests.

Historically, the picture you paint here is laughable. The pilferring of pensions and their alignment with Organized Crime Elements was not in our best interest. However, the silent majority do recall sending "Todays" Union's leadership to do a job with priority instructions that was achieved which most likely cost us bargaining power to lesser priority issues according to the requests of our members starting over two years ago.



When "THEY" go outside the scope of whats in "OUR" best interests, then they will face the scrutiny of the member employers. "THEY" can be replaced, as you can if you go outside the parameters of your daily instruction.

The local leadership of all the locals involved, including the General President is well aware that this contract in its current form, may cost them their office in the next elections.

Replace the words THEY with "THE MAJORITY"(the vote yes crowd) and replace OUR with "THE MINORITY"(the vote no crowd) and these two statements don't carry any wieght.


For me, I cannot understand how the Teamsters and its Officers layed down and did not force the company to bring its LAST, BEST & FINAL offer to the table. Instead, it appears they simply took what was on the table, kissed UPS's * on the way out and brought it to us with the fresh smell of * all over it.

The topic of this thread is Questioning Authority, I think I have

All forecasts points towards this agreement passes, however if the "vote no" crowd and the TDU'ers and the AWPA'ers are able to sway the masses you are to be comended, but the faction of part time members you've professed to protect will be placed in extreme jeopardy of extinction and progression to full time opportunities comes to a practical halt. Do not ignore the impact and volume drop of sustaining a knock down dragged out negotiation as the customer pillars of this Companys rock solid foundation can come crashing down and have a monumental effect. Issue's such as the GPS language,subcontracting language,the 6 month raises etc..is all under questionable scrutinized interpetation being misrepresented here by a bunch of "what if's?" and hypo-thetical circumstances.
 

tieguy

Banned
TIEGUY,

You are issing a big part of Unionism. Unlike you management types, you work for the company and do what you are told without the benefit of being able to think outside the box and make a decision solely yours with respect to the operation.

that would mean that management actually practices soladarity?

You are given your dispatch, you are given your set of hours to work with, you are given your directives for the operation and you must follow them to the letter no matter how negatively it affects the business, even though you may know better. Managers everyday compalin that the "thinking" part of the job has been taken away and "sheeplike" is whats expected by UPS.

This is the dynamic of employer and employee.

The Union and its various administrations from the local leadership to our General President work for US. WE ARE THE EMPLOYER.


They answer to US, they do what WE tell them to do, WE decide what is in our best interests, WE send them to so do a job with instructions that WE expect them to carry out to the letter. WE have never sent them there to do what was in "THEIR" best interests.

all of that sounds wonderfull. The reality of having a union though is that it is not as powerfull and not as effective if the union does not unite.
 
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3009 plega vet

Guest
If I had to hazard a guess, I think most of these posts were generated from 55 Glenlake Pkwy.
 
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BrownShark2

Guest
TIEGUY,

All forecasts points towards this agreement passes, however if the "vote no" crowd and the TDU'ers and the AWPA'ers are able to sway the masses you are to be comended, but the faction of part time members you've professed to protect will be placed in extreme jeopardy of extinction and progression to full time opportunities comes to a practical halt. Do not ignore the impact and volume drop of sustaining a knock down dragged out negotiation as the customer pillars of this Companys rock solid foundation can come crashing down and have a monumental effect. Issue's such as the GPS language,subcontracting language,the 6 month raises etc..is all under questionable scrutinized interpetation being misrepresented here by a bunch of "what if's?" and hypo-thetical circumstances.

Diesel,

First question I have for you is this, what position do you hold? Are you a feeder driver, a retired UPSer, Package driver or management type.

This will help me understand where your coming from. I dont spend my life on this board so I dont claim to know anyone that well.

Until I know where you came from and learn where your life experience with UPS was spent, I cannot address your points made. I will reserve that until I learn a little more about you.

I do however, want to make a point about everyone using the TDU or makeupsdeliver position everytime there is a disagreement.

It is unfortunate that many on this board go to this excuse when a dissenting opinion is expressed. Are we all to believe that only TDU members or makeupsdeliver members disagree with this contract, and if so, why? what is in it for them?

TDU cannot re-negotiate the contract, they have no influence on the current administrations. There numbers are small in some areas and large in others but they dont carry the weight that many have given them.

There are THOUSANDS of angry members across this country who are niether TDU or Makeupsdeliver members.

Dont fool yourself into believing such nonsense. These are the tactics of the BA's and Officers who are trying to distract you from figuring out the contract yourself.

For the most part, on this board anyway, no real constructive discussions have taken place on anything of any value. A few have tried to get the debate going, but some have caused the discussion to derail.

But thats the point, divide and conquer. We should all listen to tieguy when he states that there is no solidarity. This is true.

This contract pins one bargaining unit against the others.. Depending on which side you stand, the contract may have a different appearance. In reality, we should be together as one unit and standing by each others side taking care of all bargaining units, not selling off the "unborn" and figuring that because an employee may be a 28 year vet looking to retire in a year and the money will be waiting for them at that time, remember this, the auto industry screwed itself when its members let the companies butcher the unborn and eventually rid themselves of them alltogether.

That move killed all the pension programs for the big three.

You see, it takes $1 dollar in for every $1 dollar out to keep a pension alive over the long term. When you limit the amount of $1's in because the"unborn" will never be "born", then you will have $0 dollars in for every $1 dollar out and its only a matter of time before you go belly up.

When the big three moved most of there operations to mexico and canada, it took with it the $1's that should have gone into the pension funds. Without putting any more $1's in new employees in the USA, the big three doomed themselves to try and subsidize the pension with higher auto prices. These higher prices are costing the domestic sales to the tune of 2 billion a QTR.

When UPS and the Teamsters agree to delay the hiring of full timers from part time (probationary periods, Progressions no new full time jobs) it is really killing our pensions from the inside out. It may take years and you will not feel the weight of your vote until your accrural rate is cut to the bare bones around the 10 year of your retirement.

Yes, in the central states, many innappropriate actions hurt the pensions from within, however poor investment advice caused the greatest damage. However, hundreds of private pension funds have failed during this presidents term unlike any president before him.

Privately or Collectively, pensions are always a gamble.

No one is immune.

As for your assertion of the walls of business falling on our heads if negotiations fail. This is nothing more than the "sky is falling" rhetoric from chicken little.

The issue here are non-economic. No one is claiming higher wages are in order, there are more actionable issues at play here that are non-economic. The company will NEVER let a strike happen over non-economic issues.

This is a fact.

Most of the language contained in the National Master Agreement can be cancelled out with agreesive negotiations in the supplementals and riders. Only three articles contained in the master agreement have language that states that the particular article in question supercedes supplementals and riders.

This has to be removed.

We can all speculate till the sun burns out on whether or not the contract is good or bad, but to accept it on the first time out will only guarantee that we will have to live with 20/20 vision for 5 years.

I believe, that we can do better if we stick together and force our leaders from the local level to the General President get back to the members, listen to us, make a few changes and go back to the company and do what is in our best interests overall.

Peace.
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
A topic as real as the times.
As real as the state of affairs,
the state of our state of un-grace.

There is little doubt that we are at a bypass in the organized labor movement.
A digression from the ways of old, a bridge between the gaps of the methods of the past, and the methods of the future. Some might even argue that we are on a pathway that is going to go full circle. A revolt leading to a revolution, a calm before a storm.

This is evident, not only, in the questioning of the bourgeoisie corporations, but in the very questioning of our own proletarian representatives, the unions. This is not a questioning that implies that organized labor is not needed, it is an inquisition that implies that, perhaps what is needed, is not being addressed.

There are many reasons for which this can be so, but none more prevalent than the question of corruption, or ulterior motive(s). The formula of old cannot be applied to remedy a situation that has changed beyond the reach of its rules of engagement. Therefore, the rules of engagement must be changed. They must evolve.

More and more, there is being illuminated, a class within a class system. A separation, within the unions, between those that have, and those that have-not. This is being widened at alarming rates. A fracture from which no good, no solidarity can come. In short, those at the top of the structure, give the appearance they are fleeing a sinking ship in life-boats, while the rest of us are left on board polishing the brass, if it were.

All of this can be clearly seen in our current situation here at UPS/Teamsters. The very fact that there is the number of people that are discontent with the current “tentative” contract, despite our International leaders, local leaders telling us to vote yes, is evident that there in lies a silent majority that, evidently does not do surveys, and does not blindly fall into line, does not conform to a structure that is obviously not sound.

The real question is, who if anyone will learn from this? And does anyone care?

(Yes, I realize that this soliloquy is a bit inflated, I cant help it, when I write topics, I do so in word document, which I then cut and paste, and it doesn’t come out unless I present it in essay form…so for Tie, and Sat, and you guys that hate me for writing like this, I apologize ahead of time, I really do talk normal...whatever that is, But aside from the normal I hate you for sounding like a nerd, I would also be intrested in hearing what the management people think about this topic)

I never have stated, or implied, that I hate the way you write.
I only wish it was condensed.
Write as you wish.
No hard feelings,as you say.
PAX
 

Braveheart

Well-Known Member
Its an interesting question and one thats very relevant. If the teamsters do not deliver the vote for this offer then how does the company negotiate with union leadership that does not have its members support.

Its interesting to see members who preach soladarity pushing other members for a no vote. If you truly support the concept of a united union vote then you vote yes on an offer that your leadership agrees to.

You can't push soladarity from the grass roots. It has to come from the leadership and the members have to see the wisdom behind following a united front.

So I think you have hit on a very relevant point and one that probably threatens the unions existence. Once they stop delivering the vote then they lose all credibility as a bargaining agent.

If I am some other employer that has to negotiate with the teamsters I will be watching this one very closely. Master frieght up for renewal soon?
So if the leadership of America says we are going to war Sunday with both Iran and North Korea at the same time should the rest of congress just fall in line and show solidarity? Or when the people see that something is wrong maybe blindly drinking the Koolaid does not look so smart, unless of course its grape, then make it a double!
 

tieguy

Banned
So if the leadership of America says we are going to war Sunday with both Iran and North Korea at the same time should the rest of congress just fall in line and show solidarity? Or when the people see that something is wrong maybe blindly drinking the Koolaid does not look so smart, unless of course its grape, then make it a double!

Hey don't get me wrong I think its great you guys have all this infighting after all I'm management. :cool: I'm just trying to figure out how you guys define and apply the concept of soladarity?
 

sawdusttv

Well-Known Member
Hey don't get me wrong I think its great you guys have all this infighting after all I'm management. :cool: I'm just trying to figure out how you guys define and apply the concept of soladarity?

Tie,
We do have soladarity, 2/3rds of us mistrust the union and all of us mistrust management!!!!:biggrin::biggrin::biggrin:
 

diesel96

Well-Known Member
Diesel,

First question I have for you is this, what position do you hold? Are you a feeder driver, a retired UPSer, Package driver or management type.

This will help me understand where your coming from. I dont spend my life on this board so I dont claim to know anyone that well.

Until I know where you came from and learn where your life experience with UPS was spent, I cannot address your points made. I will reserve that until I learn a little more about you.

Click on my profile, it's there for everyone to see....I don't hide behind anonymity. Love'em or hate'em I've been a loyal Teamster since day one. I for one appreciate the better standards they won for us in past negotiations compared to anyone else in the Carrier/Transportation Business. But in the same breath, I'm also disenchanted at them for their past devious ventures. I've also fought tooth and nail with Mngmt and their unattainable expectations, harrassment and agressivness. I've also learned if you just do your job with INTEGRITY you won't be subjected to be called into the center manager's office for disciplinary reasons. I've also realize this CO. needs the upperhand against it's competition to stay strong and keep growing and expanding for employee progression to incur.It's not a game of "chickhen little"as you put it when cracks develope because of stalled tactics and lower senority people are sent home packing and you still have the security of a job. Now that said, I'm sure people on this board would like to understand where YOUR coming from as well with such built up anomosity towards Mngmt, UPS, Teamster Leadership and those who disagree with you. One thing we do know, Cheryl "The Administrator" has already blocked your original screen name for unspecified reasons....Let my guess, bad behavior ?
You seem to be a knowlegable and inteligent person when it comes to Labor Relations, and I could probably learn some good insight from you I over looked, lets just keep it civil with pertainent info and opinions and let the parties dicipher it for themselves. But I still think your climbing an up hill battle for solidarity which IMO the solidarity is silently leaning more towards the "Yes" voters, which BTW if you can't tell by now, is the direction that I'm leaning towards.
 
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BrownShark2

Guest
Click on my profile, it's there for everyone to see....I don't hide behind anonymity. Love'em or hate'em I've been a loyal Teamster since day one. I for one appreciate the better standards they won for us in past negotiations compared to anyone else in the Carrier/Transportation Business. But in the same breath, I'm also disenchanted at them for their past devious ventures. I've also fought tooth and nail with Mngmt and their unattainable expectations, harrassment and agressivness. I've also learned if you just do your job with INTEGRITY you won't be subjected to be called into the center manager's office for disciplinary reasons. I've also realize this CO. needs the upperhand against it's competition to stay strong and keep growing and expanding for employee progression to incur.It's not a game of "chickhen little"as you put it when cracks develope because of stalled tactics and lower senority people are sent home packing and you still have the security of a job. Now that said, I'm sure people on this board would like to understand where YOUR coming from as well with such built up anomosity towards Mngmt, UPS, Teamster Leadership and those who disagree with you. One thing we do know, Cheryl "The Administrator" has already blocked your original screen name for unspecified reasons....Let my guess, bad behavior ?
You seem to be a knowlegable and inteligent person when it comes to Labor Relations, and I could probably learn some good insight from you I over looked, lets just keep it civil with pertainent info and opinions and let the parties dicipher it for themselves. But I still think your climbing an up hill battle for solidarity which IMO the solidarity is silently leaning more towards the "Yes" voters, which BTW if you can't tell by now, is the direction that I'm leaning towards.

Diesel,
thank you for the insight. Contracts are something a person has to take seriously. We as a collective bargaining unit must look at not only the language that may or may not be in dispute, but the length of time that we will have to live with the language.

As for your assertions that the YES votes are the majority, only time will tell. You have no better view of the votes than the man on the moon. What I will say is that perspective is all relative to the area where you work. In Fl., the concensus may be to ratify the contract, but here in So. Cal and No. Cal, the overwhelming concensus is to reject this offer, fine tune a few poorly written articles in both the Master and Supplemental/Riders mainly because we understand that time is on OUR side.

Here in the west, OUR pensions are 100% fully funded and contributions maxed out by the company for each employee. We are not in DESPERATION MODE.

Allbeit that the company and union want to address the central states issue,the rest of the country shouldnt have to settle for sub-standard language just to make them happy.

As for UPS and the competition, agreed, we should always try and limit the amount of business we lose to competitors. However, UPS is its own worst enemy when it comes to losing business.

In the Los Angeles Corridor, we handle millions of packages everyday, we also service fail thousands of packages each and everyday with the implementation of EDD and PAS and bad dispatching by the IE department.

We jokingly refer to both EDD and PAS as acronyms:

PAS= possibly another service- failure
EDD= every delivery delayed

These two systems have not been the wonder child the company made them out to be.

With respect to dispatching, 2007 has been the year of the 60 hour package driver. We have all been out till 9pm and then as an added bonus, we get to bring back the 60 or 70 stops that were part of the 210 stops for the day.

Its all a matter of mathematics. 210 stops + 35 pickups = 245 stops divided by 10 hours = 24.5 stops per hour...this is what it looks like to an IE engineer.

In reality however, its really 210 stops divided by 6.5 hours and that equals= 32.30 stops per hour. By 4pm, our trucks need to be completely empty in order to handle the volume of pickups, however, on the busy streets of LA, the average driver can only do 15.5 stops per hour and thats only 100 stops completed by pickup time. That leaves 110 stops to begin after pickups and next day air drop off at 6pm.

Now, with 110 stops left to complete begining at 6pm, and with a sporh of 15.5 in the dark, how long will it take to complete 110 stops? Thats 7 hours Diesel.

6pm + 7 hours is 1am if a driver was to complete the dispatch. But this is where it gets really ugly here in LA. You see we HAVE to stop for a second lunch before 7PM and that takes a half hour 1/2 away from deliveries. Then, 1 or 2 drivers who are already out late will be sent over to split the work at 8pm. By this time, the 930pm deadline is approaching and the 25 minute drive back to the center makes the possiblility of completing the dispatch unrealistic.

In the meantime, the customers who have been waiting all day for packages are angry with us as we are knocking on doors at 9pm to obtain signatures. When the customers answer the door, they expressed their anger at the delivery time and some say they will never use the company again.

This scenario is happening all over the LA corridor. This cost the company churn.

No level of givebacks in the contract will prevent the company from eliminating this scenario from occuring. You cant protect the business with foolish articles and sections.

You protect the business by running it with integrity and logic.

A penny saved and dollar lost philosophy has been the case here in LA.

As for the aforementioned moderator, I dont pay no mind to such foolishness, it appears the company mindset will prevent an independent voice like mine from being heard.

When a person limits the free expression of an individual, the reality of ones position is made crystal clear.

Diesel, we may be on opposite sides of the country, but our visions for a long career are still the same. I am an 18 year package veteran. I think we are on the same page with respect to our careers, it just that we are on a different page at the moment.

Should the contract be ratified in its current state, then you and I will have no choice but to turn the page and read along together.

Peace.
 

705red

Browncafe Steward
Hey don't get me wrong I think its great you guys have all this infighting after all I'm management. :cool: I'm just trying to figure out how you guys define and apply the concept of soladarity?
Just a little food for thought tie. We might be bickering over this contract and debating the issues right now because it is very important to us, but if you think in anyways that means we would not get together and file a grievance on you for doing our work right now, you are mistaken. It seems like your out take on this is that we are fighting and destroying our union. As a matter of fact we are satnding up in an attempt to better our union for the long haul, so go ahead andshift in the yard, if you dont believe that we wil file that grievance and nail your feeder management butt to the cross for it, keep taking this as a sign of weakness on our part and see what the furture holds.
 
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