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[Gone fishin]

That’s not a new revelation with this contract. It’s always been the case that UPS pays top rate drivers more. They also work them harder and it takes a long time to get to top rate.

First year drivers typically make more cash at Ground, the young dumb kids don’t care about benefits or their future earnings. There’s new ones turning 21 everyday.

Ya , but this is in front on a national platform , even the dumb ones will notice this. The wage gap isn’t a river , it’s a canyon and getting wider

 

[Thebrownblob]

That’s not a new revelation with this contract. It’s always been the case that UPS pays top rate drivers more. They also work them harder and it takes a long time to get to top rate.

First year drivers typically make more cash at Ground, the young dumb kids don’t care about benefits or their future earnings. There’s new ones turning 21 everyday.

You could be right about first year earnings for FedEx drivers vs UPS. But getting over on someone because they’re 21 should make you feel a little dirty.

 

[Gone fishin]

You could be right about first year earnings for FedEx drivers vs UPS. But getting over on someone because they’re 21 should make you feel a little dirty.

This dudes filthy from what I gather

 

[Thebrownblob]

This dudes filthy from what I gather

Well, if it’s more than just an online persona, then all I can say is karma is a bitch.

 

[It will be fine]

You could be right about first year earnings for FedEx drivers vs UPS. But getting over on someone because they’re 21 should make you feel a little dirty.

How do you see paying someone more their first year in an industry as “getting over on them?” Most people don’t see delivering boxes as a long term career.

 

[Thebrownblob]

How do you see paying someone more their first year in an industry as “getting over on them?” Most people don’t see delivering boxes as a long term career.

Because you literally called them dumb, most people don’t have a career in mind they’re looking for the pay and security of a career because you don’t pay that doesn’t mean they wouldn’t stay if you did. But since your decision is to purposely screw, someone you feel is dumb. Why would they stay? I have a college degree. I didn’t plan to deliver packages either but the opportunity was to good to pass up.

 

[zeev]

How do you see paying someone more their first year in an industry as “getting over on them?” Most people don’t see delivering boxes as a long term career.

I agree it is stupid to deliver boxes long term so it must be just as stupid to deliver short term.

 

[Thebrownblob]

I agree it is stupid to deliver boxes long term so it must be just as stupid to deliver short term.

Especially for low wages

 

[cosis]

Don't they usually skip 3 years between steps?

 

[It will be fine]

Especially for low wages

We were just discussing how in the short term drivers can probably make more at Ground. So you’re saying it’s dumb for someone to drive for UPS if they have career goals beyond cardboard. One could argue I’m treating those with greater aspirations better by not suckering them in this dead end job like UPS does.

 

[Thebrownblob]

We were just discussing how in the short term drivers can probably make more at Ground. So you’re saying it’s dumb for someone to drive for UPS if they have career goals beyond cardboard. One could argue I’m treating those with greater aspirations better by not suckering them in this dead end job like UPS does.

I think you mean the dead end job you’re offering? There’s nothing dead end about what I’m doing. And rewarding. But I guess that just goes to prove you can’t trust someone with a small man syndrome such as yourself that’s why we need the union. And I honestly have no idea if you’re really paying more even the first year. Most of those UPS drivers first year in are making close to 50 K. Just working a lot of hours to get it.

 

[Guitarman01]

It's been a while since I've seen the union contract, but I think in 4 or 5 years you are already making very good money as a driver or full time handler and maybe even topped out or close to it. In 4 years you are already making more at UPS than what takes express 15 to 20 years to get to.

 

[Thebrownblob]

It's been a while since I've seen the union contract, but I think in 4 or 5 years you are already making very good money as a driver or full time handler and maybe even topped out or close to it. In 4 years you are already making more at UPS than what takes express 15 to 20 years to get to.

At four years full time you’re at Top scale at ups. Depending on what classification your in would be making between 80k and 140k plus full medical, vacations, and a pension. What a horrible, dead, end.

 

[It will be fine]

I think you mean the dead end job you’re offering? There’s nothing dead end about what I’m doing. And rewarding. But I guess that just goes to prove you can’t trust someone with a small man syndrome such as yourself that’s why we need the union. And I honestly have no idea if you’re really paying more even the first year. Most of those UPS drivers first year in are making close to 50 K. Just working a lot of hours to get it.

It’s the definition of a dead end job. There’s no advancement and the skills are not transferable to anything else. You’re literally at the end of the line.

 

[Thebrownblob]

It’s the definition of a dead end job. There’s no advancement and the skills are not transferable to anything else. You’re literally at the end of the line.

The end of a line of an ever growing paycheck? Are you dense? I know plenty of people at jobs they call dead end that don’t have half the security and half the pay. What people do with the kind of money they can make at UPS might shock you. But then again, when you’re someone with so little humanity such as yourself, who enjoys screwing, what do you call “young dumb people” I wouldn’t suppose you wouldn’t have much of an idea of anything, other than the nose on your face. The only person at the dead end is you. Like I said karma is a bitch, my friend.

 

[It will be fine]

The end of a line of an ever growing paycheck? Are you dense? I know plenty of people at jobs they call dead end that don’t have half the security and half the pay. What people do with the kind of money they can make at UPS might shock you. But then again, when you’re someone with so little humanity such as yourself, who enjoys screwing, what do you call “young dumb people” I wouldn’t suppose you wouldn’t have much of an idea of anything, other than the nose on your face. The only person at the dead end is you. Like I said karma is a bitch, my friend.

Your pay does not factor into my definition of dead end job. The complete lack of job and skill growth does. Your job delivering boxes qualifies you to deliver boxes, it can advance your career in no way. You sound happy to be there but that doesn’t change the reality that your at the dead end.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Your pay does not factor into my definition of dead end job. The complete lack of job and skill growth does. Your job delivering boxes qualifies you to deliver boxes, it can advance your career in no way. You sound happy to be there but that doesn’t change the reality that your at the dead end.

Every job is dead end when you work for someone else. The compensation and stability is the only reason to be there.
The compensation has allowed me to pursue many other ventures. Very rewarding.

 

[Just A UPS Guy]

First year drivers typically make more cash at Ground

This isn't remotely true. "Occasionally," at the very best, "extremely rarely" would probably be more accurate.

 

[Thebrownblob]

This isn't remotely true. "Occasionally," at the very best, "extremely rarely" would probably be more accurate.

Reality is not one of his strong suits, but then again, he sits at home all day playing Zelda, pretending he has an empire.

 

[MAKAVELI]

How do you see paying someone more their first year in an industry as “getting over on them?” Most people don’t see delivering boxes as a long term career.

When you consider their benefits, they still are ahead of what you pay. Year 2 and beyond they are way above ground drivers total compensation.