its hard to say any other establishment democrat or republican wouldnt have saved and bailed out the corporations which own the government. except for ron paul maybe. i think obama as a corporatist more than a socialist. if u look at his voting record in the senate its one corporate handout after another. socialism to me implies encouraging worker control of industry first and foremost, but also expanding the safety net and having more pro worker legislation. i think obama has been even worse than W bush at civil liberties, and just as much of a corporatist, i guess more since the economic crisis happened while he was in office.
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its hard to say any other establishment democrat or republican wouldnt have saved and bailed out the corporations which own the government. except for ron paul maybe. i think obama as a corporatist more than a socialist. if u look at his voting record in the senate its one corporate handout after another. socialism to me implies encouraging worker control of industry first and foremost, but also expanding the safety net and having more pro worker legislation. i think obama has been even worse than W bush at civil liberties, and just as much of a corporatist, i guess more since the economic crisis happened while he was in office.
satellitedriver
Moderator
Ricky,
You have entertained me equally with your internet research abilities and your lack of real life experience.
I could/should debunk the majority of "your" economic opinions, but it would be fruitless endeavor.
Only in America could I come from shining shoes at 5yrs old in the 1950's to being able to retire at the age of 60yrs old .
Besides my working 7 days a week for the majority of my married life, I spent educating myself in investing.
My only advice is to tell everyone to keep their debt at a minimum.
Save as much as you can.
Educate yourself on how the financial world works.
I was born poor and I was married poor, but now I am retired and spending my money helping those that need a true helping hand.
If one needs the Government to improve their life, they will never have their own life to live.
You have entertained me equally with your internet research abilities and your lack of real life experience.
I could/should debunk the majority of "your" economic opinions, but it would be fruitless endeavor.
Only in America could I come from shining shoes at 5yrs old in the 1950's to being able to retire at the age of 60yrs old .
Besides my working 7 days a week for the majority of my married life, I spent educating myself in investing.
My only advice is to tell everyone to keep their debt at a minimum.
Save as much as you can.
Educate yourself on how the financial world works.
I was born poor and I was married poor, but now I am retired and spending my money helping those that need a true helping hand.
If one needs the Government to improve their life, they will never have their own life to live.
ive been looking into this stuff since sept 2011...
america is a far different country than it was 40 years ago. one of the best countries in the world to work in back then. government policy is partly to blame why its one of the worst developed countries at present.
regarding my "opinions" i was the only one who was providing links to articles...what you said sounds nice. not to mention people believe the constant propaganda the system spurts out.
but the painful truth is too hard for many people to deal with; they prefer to live in the comfort of illusion.
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I would encourage everyone to watch this video:
he also wrote an excellent book called "the servant economy" which is where america's economy is headed if it doesnt change course: a low wage, service sector economy.
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Lizzzow
Guest
Where do you come up with your facts? I live in ND, and milk is under $4.00. Plus I'm currently enjoying gas at $2.29.
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
National geographic. They had many good write ups on the good and bad that the oil boom is causing in certain parts of North Dakota.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
In other words, the press.
No wonder ...
Brownslave688
You want a toe? I can get you a toe.
Like it or not it's where virtually all info comes from.
upschuck
Well-Known Member
They have articles in that magazine?
i get alot of my economic stuff from tyler durden on zero hedge (who i disagree with on many aspects), gar alperovitz, richard d wolff, chris hedges, cornel west and tavis smiley (for that 50% in/near/just above poverty stat. chris hedges also quotes it, theres more too but i forget), gerald celente, noam chomsky, ralph nader, paul craig roberts, snyder who does economic collapse blog, EPI, david cay johnston to name a few there are lots more.
i havent seen too much politics / economics from national geographic...
i would say if u want to know who is telling the truth and who has a twisted perspective or is just lying and funded by big money, u just have to look at simple issues first like college tuition and do they agree with your persepective on it. another major thing is quite often these people reference each which is actually how i discovered all of these people or groups. i basically just started off with michael moore, rage against the machine, and zeitgeist and it just grew from there out of references basically.
the people who do the greatest news in america is "democracy now" with amy goodman. russia today also suprisingly does good news, but not as good as democracy now.
i havent seen too much politics / economics from national geographic...
i would say if u want to know who is telling the truth and who has a twisted perspective or is just lying and funded by big money, u just have to look at simple issues first like college tuition and do they agree with your persepective on it. another major thing is quite often these people reference each which is actually how i discovered all of these people or groups. i basically just started off with michael moore, rage against the machine, and zeitgeist and it just grew from there out of references basically.
the people who do the greatest news in america is "democracy now" with amy goodman. russia today also suprisingly does good news, but not as good as democracy now.
Don't want to come down too hard, but there's so much wrong in that statement it's hard to decide where to begin. Not wrong factually since you're speaking of your own experience, but I think it sheds light as to the perspective you're coming from. Suffice to say that the people and shows you listed usually get their facts wrong.
I recommend reading "The Road to Serfdom" by friend. A. Hayek, or even John Adam's "The Wealth of Nations". They're a hard and dry reads, and if you find them too difficult then then I recommend "Basic Economics" by Thomas Sowell.
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Lizzzow
Guest
I sometimes forget how crazy it is up in the nw part of the state. That's where the heart of the oil boom is. That's probably where the crazy prices are.
satellitedriver
Moderator
Wow,
You have been "looking into" this since almost 4yrs ago.
I have lived and worked in this Great nation for almost 55yrs.
America is the same great country to work in, as it was way back then.
30yrs ago I was barely getting by and living in a 52ft mobile home.
Now, I am a debt free millionaire.
How the Hell did we do it, in this evil corporate run USA?
My wife worked a job running a General Store in the country, while having a Stained Glass business.
I worked at UPS and on my "off" hours I had an artist blacksmith business.
Every morning my wife packed me a lunchbox because she knew I had no where to buy food during the day, plus it saved us money.
I am sick and tired of punks who do not realize that they have everything at their feet and are too damn lazy to pick them up.
burrheadd
KING Of GIFS
satellitedriver
Moderator
I will wear that monicker with pride.
1997 got me off my ass and I took control over my financial future.
Since August 1997, every dime I would have paid in extortion money to the union monthly I have given to charities.
Truly, I am thankful to the union for striking in 1997 to try and keep control of the money UPS was "contributing" towards my UPS retirement.
The union won !!!!!!!!!!!!!!! ,
then the fund slowly started going bankrupt.
In 97', our retirement would have been secured with a UPS only retirement from Central States for little less than $600 million.
Once Central States retirement went into critical status,
guess what,
UPS paid $6 BILLION to bail UPSER's out of Central States, and the union declared what a great job they had done negotiating that contract.
Every dollar I earned was paid by UPS.
Every dollar I receive in pension is being paid with UPS money.
Please, do not respond that I would not have what I have if it was not for the great negotiating skills of the union.
realbrown1
Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
A scab moderator. What will they think of next?
brownmonster
Man of Great Wisdom
wealth of nations is misread and skewed but a classic when understood properly. i think sowell is a schister, cant remember all what it was, i do recall him in one video bashing occupy and then in another praising the tea party movement for the exact same reasons. i think if u look at alot of what sowell says it doesnt correspond to reality: hes probably bought off. nobody i listen to references him...
i am mostly left wing and listen to mostly left wing people but i do listen and agree with some conservatives like ron pauls forgien policy and his stance on civil liberties, gerald celente, paul craig roberts, most of what max keiser says etc. alot of the left wing guys are very conservative when it comes to different issues and i agree.
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