Should The Next Contract Address "Scabs?"

[Indecisi0n]

Non union members should have to spend a night with me in a dark sound proof room with no windows.

 

[Turdferguson]

What's to stop the company from paying rtwers more?

Take away the union, and compensation is strictly between the employee and the employer.

Greed. They would never pay more than they have to for anything

 

[UPS4Life]

Greed. They would never pay more than they have to for anything

Gotta agree with ya there. If the union quit tomorrow Id give it till then end of the quarter before the wages get cut your benefits go away or get smaller. Guaranteed 8 haha funny cya tomorrow. I'm at a loss of words that people think you would get paid more without a union.


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[MC4YOU2]

Interesting possibilities here!

If the Union decided to not represent the non-Union-joiners the same as the Union-joiners, the non-Union-joiners could negotiate their own contract with UPS and get $40 an hour but no benefits.
I wonder how many short-sighted non-Union-joiner drivers would take that offer?

No benefits, no healthcare, no pension, and all the OT they could crush them with. Cripple, rinse, repeat.

 

[baklava]

I would have been paid $70 an hour, based on my performance and gladly saved and paid for my future.
In the union world, seniority trumps work performance.
When I worked at non-union jobs, I always went to the top pay scale due to my abilities, not time spent having a job.

And yet you decided to work and retire from a place that offered Union-negotiated wage, benefits, and pension. I'm guessing your "abilities" couldn't find you a better deal anywhere else.

 

[Bottom rung]

No benefits, no healthcare, no pension, and all the OT they could crush them with. Cripple, rinse, repeat.

This is exactly what would happen. It would take a while, and if language was introduced that forced non dues paying employees to negotiate on their own with the company. They would pay better and offer the same benefits at first, then once the tombstone was placed over the teamsters everything would be cut and you be working 14 hrs a day. Crippling stop counts, harassment, and threats.

 

[728ups]

We have an off the street driver in my building who was hired in 1986 and is VERY anti union. Except when he wants seniority,union pay and union benefits. He is of the opinion UPS would pay him the same without a union because he is just that awesome

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

We have an off the street driver in my building who was hired in 1986 and is VERY anti union. Except when he wants seniority,union pay and union benefits. He is of the opinion UPS would pay him the same without a union because he is just that awesome

We have more than a few of those. It's kind of funny most of those types are extra careful not to do anything to get in trouble or draw attention to themselves. That alone is definitely not a bad thing but it just goes to show they are well aware of their shenanigans.

 

[satellitedriver]

And yet you decided to work and retire from a place that offered Union-negotiated wage, benefits, and pension. I'm guessing your "abilities" couldn't find you a better deal anywhere else.

I hope you do not vacation in a casino town.
You would lose your money by betting on a hunch.
My "abilities" are trained skills, not guessing what others can, or can not do.
I decided to live in a location to build a home.
It saddens me that so many talented people rely on union protection. They are afraid of working in the real world of 89% of their fellow Americans.

I know all you union people are going to say I am blowing smoke.
When I retired from UPS, I was approached by two non-union companies to work for them.
One was for $80,000 a year, the other was for $120,000. a year.
The former was in the energy industry, and the latter was being a consultant for Federal Court cases.
I have declined both offers because I want to live where I live.

All I ever strove for was security and a good life for my family. Money was only the means, not the end.

In my working life of 45yrs, unions have been more a leash than a lead rope.

 

[UPS4Life]

https://www.tdu.org/news/louisville-local-89-picket-stops-subcontracting
Holland was using scabs because of a shortage and according to their contract they were to pay the scabs the same rate the union workers get and they were not so they walked off. I
t's funny what can get done when people stick together.


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[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

I am one of the least Union people you will ever meet but even I know that it is wrong to reap the benefits without paying for them.

Every full time hourly employee should be in the union.

Career part timers also should be in the union.

Part timers here just for the time being should save their money.

 

[baklava]

I hope you do not vacation in a casino town.
You would lose your money by betting on a hunch.
My "abilities" are trained skills, not guessing what others can, or can not do.
I decided to live in a location to build a home.
It saddens me that so many talented people rely on union protection. They are afraid of working in the real world of 89% of their fellow Americans.

I know all you union people are going to say I am blowing smoke.
When I retired from UPS, I was approached by two non-union companies to work for them.
One was for $80,000 a year, the other was for $120,000. a year.
The former was in the energy industry, and the latter was being a consultant for Federal Court cases.
I have declined both offers because I want to live where I live.

All I ever strove for was security and a good life for my family. Money was only the means, not the end.

In my working life of 45yrs, unions have been more a leash than a lead rope.

Ok, I believe you. I work with several drivers that have four-year degrees.

You say you chose a career at UPS out of convenience, however I doubt that would be the case if you were paid $18 an hour with no benefits. Whether you choose to accept, acknowledge, or appreciate it, the Teamsters made that compensation package possible, and more importantly they make it possible for those in this world that do not have your "abilities"

My other point still remains; you chose to work and retire from a company with union-negotiated wage, benefits, and pension.

 

[baklava]

I am one of the least Union people you will ever meet but even I know that it is wrong to reap the benefits without paying for them.

Every full time hourly employee should be in the union.

Career part timers also should be in the union.

Part timers here just for the time being should save their money.

I would add in any part-timers that have health coverage as well.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

I hope you do not vacation in a casino town.
You would lose your money by betting on a hunch.
My "abilities" are trained skills, not guessing what others can, or can not do.
I decided to live in a location to build a home.
It saddens me that so many talented people rely on union protection. They are afraid of working in the real world of 89% of their fellow Americans.

I know all you union people are going to say I am blowing smoke.
When I retired from UPS, I was approached by two non-union companies to work for them.
One was for $80,000 a year, the other was for $120,000. a year.
The former was in the energy industry, and the latter was being a consultant for Federal Court cases.
I have declined both offers because I want to live where I live.

All I ever strove for was security and a good life for my family. Money was only the means, not the end.

In my working life of 45yrs, unions have been more a leash than a lead rope.

Ok, I believe you. I work with several drivers that have four-year degrees.

You say you chose a career at UPS out of convenience, however I doubt that would be the case if you were paid $18 an hour with no benefits. Whether you choose to accept, acknowledge, or appreciate it, the Teamsters made that compensation package possible, and more importantly they make it possible for those in this world that do not have your "abilities"

My other point still remains; you chose to work and retire from a company with union-negotiated wage, benefits, and pension.

Right on! The guy fully took advantage of the union benefits. But "didn't need the union."????? Now that's just a little confusing.

 

[Browntown2014]

I hope you do not vacation in a casino town.
You would lose your money by betting on a hunch.
My "abilities" are trained skills, not guessing what others can, or can not do.
I decided to live in a location to build a home.
It saddens me that so many talented people rely on union protection. They are afraid of working in the real world of 89% of their fellow Americans.

I know all you union people are going to say I am blowing smoke.
When I retired from UPS, I was approached by two non-union companies to work for them.
One was for $80,000 a year, the other was for $120,000. a year.
The former was in the energy industry, and the latter was being a consultant for Federal Court cases.
I have declined both offers because I want to live where I live.

All I ever strove for was security and a good life for my family. Money was only the means, not the end.

In my working life of 45yrs, unions have been more a leash than a lead rope.

What are your "abilities"? Let me guess "worlds oldest profession"?

 

[satellitedriver]

What are your "abilities"? Let me guess "worlds oldest profession"?

Ha, Ha. !!!
You do not realize the pun of your "moniker", and trying to insult me.
In Houston, Tx going down to Browntown was going to the the gay prostitute area.
Worlds oldest profession, if you are gay, I guess so.
Not that there is anything wrong with the lifestyle you chose to live.

 

[satellitedriver]

Ok, I believe you. I work with several drivers that have four-year degrees.

You say you chose a career at UPS out of convenience, however I doubt that would be the case if you were paid $18 an hour with no benefits. Whether you choose to accept, acknowledge, or appreciate it, the Teamsters made that compensation package possible, and more importantly they make it possible for those in this world that do not have your "abilities"

My other point still remains; you chose to work and retire from a company with union-negotiated wage, benefits, and pension.

Exactly,
UPS paid my wage and benefits. UPS hired me without having to be in the union.
I negotiated, by accepting, what they were willing to pay.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
If the teamsters set the standard, so what?
I worked, UPS paid.

 

[satellitedriver]

I am one of the least Union people you will ever meet but even I know that it is wrong to reap the benefits without paying for them.

Every full time hourly employee should be in the union.

Career part timers also should be in the union.

Part timers here just for the time being should save their money.

So,
no one in America should work for UPS unless they pay union dues?
UPS pays for all the benefits, not the union.
If memory serves me right, 25 States do not force anyone to join a union to work.
Everyone should reap the fruits of their labor based on their merit.

 

[baklava]

Exactly,
UPS paid my wage and benefits. UPS hired me without having to be in the union.
I negotiated, by accepting, what they were willing to pay.
Nothing more, and nothing less.
If the teamsters set the standard, so what?
I worked, UPS paid.

Yeah, you're the man; A white-collar worker that takes a blue-collar job, then scabs out and disses the union that fights for the pay and benefits you enjoyed. What a guy.

 

[rod]

nothing can be done-RTW was to fabbed up to weaken and bankrupt the UNION. Also companies can now monitor payroll to see how many members support the union by who pays dues, when this number gets low enough they can vote to decertify.

After reading all the posts on this thread this one is the scariest because it is so true. My family and I have been pro Union all my working life and have enjoyed the pay and benefits negotiated by the Union for me. No-the Teamsters are not perfect but I feel sorry for anybody who would have to work for a non-Union UPS. It would take no time at all to turn into another FedEx or worse yet a Walmart type of work environment. To those who think UPS would offer the same pay and benefits package if it was non-Union -----damn --you area a special kind of stupid. The American worker has long way to go before they hit bottom but with the death of Unions that train will speed up considerably. If you scabs live long enough maybe you can relive the good old days days when kids worked in the mines.