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[El Correcto]

Agreed. Rolling coal is a blast. So is motorcycle noise.

But I'm glad we agree the only reason you'd buy them is those feelings.

My route and neighborhood combined I can count the number of Tesla owners on two hands.
The poorer side of my route and hood there is nothing to count. Tesla will not out compete the used combustible engines in my lifetime without immense government subsidies for infrastructure, purchasing the vehicle and regulations to kill the competition.

 

[wilberforce15]

My route and neighborhood combined I can count the number of Tesla owners on two hands.
The poorer side of my route and hood there is nothing to count. Tesla will not out compete the used combustible engines in my lifetime without immense government subsidies for infrastructure, purchasing the vehicle and regulations to kill the competition.

I am not responsible for what you do or don't see.

What you see is not representative.

Tesla will outcompete used combustible engines much sooner than you think, in a far more Orwellian fashion than your nightmares involve. They might not even have much reason to sell any cars 5 or 10 years from now. They'd make more money by not selling them at all, and using them as autonomous taxis.

They have solved self-driving. The per-mile cost is less than buying a beater on Craigslist.

 

[El Correcto]

I am not responsible for what you do or don't see.

What you see is not representative.

Tesla will outcompete used combustible engines much sooner than you think, in a far more Orwellian fashion than your nightmares involve. They might not even have much reason to sell any cars 5 or 10 years from now. They'd make more money by not selling them at all, and using them as autonomous taxis.

They have solved self-driving. The per-mile cost is less than buying a beater on Craigslist.

Tesla's full self-driving mode is actually not fully self-driving - Marketplace

The capability is marketed as a way to take your hands off the wheel, but some experts, including Alistair Weaver of Edmunds, say the technology isn't ready.

www.marketplace.org

Self driving level 4 fully autonomous vehicles are a long way off in my opinion.

 

[wilberforce15]

Tesla's full self-driving mode is actually not fully self-driving - Marketplace

The capability is marketed as a way to take your hands off the wheel, but some experts, including Alistair Weaver of Edmunds, say the technology isn't ready.

www.marketplace.org

Self driving level 4 fully autonomous vehicles are a long way off in my opinion.

They're already there. That article is about FSD, not the Beta, and it's 6 months old, which is an eternity.

They just don't have regulatory approval or any other kind of approval to market it as such. But they have solved the problem.

Their AI has an 18 month streak of no-accidents, now getting a million miles a day with no accidents. They're working out kinks, and it will take a decade for it to go live for everyone. Red tape is serious. But the problem is solved. It's only a matter of time.

And they can operate an autonomous EV for 30 cents a mile or even less, which makes even Craigslist used cars too expensive.

 

[wilberforce15]

I'm seriously amused now when people think they can post an article that I haven't seen or answered. At some point, you'd think that folks would stop.

 

[bacha29]

All that is true, but EVs are going to largely replace gas over time no matter what government policy is in place.

Twenty years ago only a few cars could do 30MPH Now it's common place. The move to EV's also has eyes on the European car market A large market on a continent that would love nothing more than an affordable EV replacement.

 

[wilberforce15]

Twenty years ago only a few cars could do 30MPH Now it's common place. The move to EV's also has eyes on the European car market A large market on a continent that would love nothing more than an affordable EV replacement.

Tesla Gigafactory Berlin to produce up to 2M vehicles per year: German report

A recent report from German media has pointed to a surprisingly optimistic scenario for Tesla and its vehicle manufacturing goals for Europe. According to sources who are reportedly familiar with the electric car maker’s plans, Gigafactory Berlin could produce up to 2 million vehicles per year...

www.teslarati.com

Which is why they're getting a gigafactory on the continent to avoid tariffs.

 

[Fred's Myth]

How much is a 100kw Tesla battery?
A new Tesla battery for a Model X with a 100kWh battery pack should run over $13,700 if we base our pricing scheme solely on current $137 per kWh estimates. As Tesla almost exclusively uses remanufactured packs, the true price should be slightly lower.

Tesla Battery Replacement Cost Explained

How much does it cost to replace the battery in a Tesla Model S, 3, X or Y? What does parts & labor cost? Find out now!

www.findmyelectric.com

 

[PT Car Washer]

This just in:

The car only beat the horse because the government started favoring horseless carriages and built roads for them and all sorts of handouts.

Horses in major cities were becoming an environmental disaster.

 

[vantexan]

What you're not saying in all of this is the working poor will never be able to afford a new electric car. If gas cars are made illegal only the wealthy, at least wealthy enough, will have private cars and the poor will be herded onto public transportation. Or maybe ride electric scooters and bikes.

 

[wilberforce15]

Horses in major cities were becoming an environmental disaster.

 

[wilberforce15]

How much is a 100kw Tesla battery?
A new Tesla battery for a Model X with a 100kWh battery pack should run over $13,700 if we base our pricing scheme solely on current $137 per kWh estimates. As Tesla almost exclusively uses remanufactured packs, the true price should be slightly lower.

Tesla Battery Replacement Cost Explained

How much does it cost to replace the battery in a Tesla Model S, 3, X or Y? What does parts & labor cost? Find out now!

www.findmyelectric.com

That's fine because they never have to be replaced. Thanks for playing.

 

[vantexan]

That's fine because they never have to be replaced. Thanks for playing.

Just a quick Google check turned up the batteries need to be replaced every 300,000 to 500,000 miles. Or once or twice over the car's lifespan.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

So, do you want your all-steel truck with 800hp and 1000 lb-feet of torque and 16 inches of adjustable air suspension ground clearance or not?

Because you'll have to get one from Tesla.

Tesla doesn't have one.

 

[wilberforce15]

Tesla doesn't have one.

They built a facility bigger than CACH for a few billion dollars explicitly for this truck.

After beating NASA and relanding a rocket, and now building faster than anybody, doubt just looks like ignorance.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

Tesla can beat the average new car price with a fantastic sedan right now with no help. That's a raw, non-negotiable fact.

So can all the other manufacturers.

 

[DriveInDriveOut]

They built a facility bigger than CACH for a few billion dollars explicitly for this truck.

After beating NASA and relanding a rocket, and now building faster than anybody, doubt just looks like ignorance.

That doesn't have anything to do with my post.

 

[wilberforce15]

That doesn't have anything to do with my post.

Sure it does. And Tesla does have them. Jay Leno already drove one of them. You should check it out.

It exists. It already does what it says. And they built bigger than CACH to build more.

 

[wilberforce15]

So can all the other manufacturers.

No, they can't.

Tesla has the biggest, most advanced presses in the world. Every part has been designed for manufacturing efficiency. The total part count on even something like a heater system is astonishingly low compared to any other manufacturer. You're simply not aware of the current reality. Nobody can build as cheaply as Tesla can. Not even close.

 

[wilberforce15]

Let's just look at a heat pump:

Ford parts: 35.
Tesla: 10.

Length of Hoses:

Ford: 18 meters.
Tesla 6 meters.

Fluid:

Ford: 23kg.
Tesla: 9.2kg.

This is just a small glimpse.

Tesla is doing full-body castings, or half-body castings, which was considered stupidly impossible just a few years ago. And they built their own presses, and turned a few hundred pieces and a few hundred welds into one piece. It's like a man against boys.