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Outa browns on 04/30/09
You, sir (or madame) are a Jerk!!
Telematics...UPS is wiring your truck
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You, sir (or madame) are a Jerk!!
BigBrownSanta
Well-Known Member
I could be wrong, but I think you still have to show up every day even to a part time job, you just don't have to stick around for as long.
Catatonic
Nine Lives
Yeah it does. Sober is a man of his word, and he's got really huge cojones.
Are the donuts as big as your cojones?
Hey Lets make em put ABS on that same GMC 800 then power steering and 4 wheel disk brakes. while I agree they are using saftey as just a phrase to put telamatix in place.
You can not under any circumstance change the OEM (original Equiptment Manf.) without a concent from GMC and this will never happen. There is a huge liabillity if you alter the OEM application while it sounds stupid if you get in a fatal crash with the lap belt on a 88 GMC P-800 UPS has no liabilty. But go ahead and get in a Fatal Crash with a OEM altered saftey restraint system and see what happens. The mechanic can not change these items at all...
I am not trying to start an argument but the question you ask is not a question worth asking in a saftey meeting.
And please do not spell check
You can not under any circumstance change the OEM (original Equiptment Manf.) without a concent from GMC and this will never happen. There is a huge liabillity if you alter the OEM application while it sounds stupid if you get in a fatal crash with the lap belt on a 88 GMC P-800 UPS has no liabilty. But go ahead and get in a Fatal Crash with a OEM altered saftey restraint system and see what happens. The mechanic can not change these items at all...
I am not trying to start an argument but the question you ask is not a question worth asking in a saftey meeting.
And please do not spell check
trplnkl
555
GMC has nothing to do with it, the seat belts final location and application is determined by whoever builds the body, which aint GMC.
The fear of legally being liable(read $$$) keeps UPS from making our vehicles safe to drive...bottom line. UPS has placed a price tag on what they think our lives are worth.
stevetheupsguy
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soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Let me see if I understand this correctly;
Its OK for us to drill holes in the frame and install a trailer hitch....
Its OK for us to splice into the brake system wiring to install a trailer brake controller....
Its OK to splice into the turn/tail/brake light wiring to install a trailer wiring plug....
Its OK for us to install a rear view camera....
Its OK for us to install a rear view monitor in the cab and wire it in to the fuse box....
Its OK for us to install a DIVA and wire it in to the fuse box....
And its OK for us to remove the OEM 2-point seatbelt and replace it with an equally useless 2-point belt with a Telematics sensor in the buckle....
But for some reason we CANT bolt on a 3-point belt even though the vehicle is compatible with one?
sorry, I call BULL **** on that one!
rod
Retired 23 years
Do they still weld cracked frames? If that isn't altering the OEM application nothing is.
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Actually Wrench is making the same point as I was making.
And TPL, no, the seat belts are not put on the car at the body builder, they are installed, along with the seat at the factory where the frame, motor, trans, wheels are put together.
The assembly is then trucked to the body builder. But the seat and belts are already installed by the factory, which makes it safety equipment. Which none of the items that sober mentioned are factory installed safety equipment.
As far as safety team, there is nothing your local safety team can do, this is something that has to be handled at the national level. Been there, done that.
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And TPL, no, the seat belts are not put on the car at the body builder, they are installed, along with the seat at the factory where the frame, motor, trans, wheels are put together.
The assembly is then trucked to the body builder. But the seat and belts are already installed by the factory, which makes it safety equipment. Which none of the items that sober mentioned are factory installed safety equipment.
As far as safety team, there is nothing your local safety team can do, this is something that has to be handled at the national level. Been there, done that.
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upsdude
Well-Known Member
Is it OK to install non GMC brake parts?
Is it OK to install non GMC steering parts?
Is it OK to install recaps? GMC didn't.
UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)
Well-Known Member
trplnkl
555
And TPL, no, the seat belts are not put on the car at the body builder, they are installed, along with the seat at the factory where the frame, motor, trans, wheels are put together.
The seat and belts installed at the factory are temporary and put there for transport purposes. The floor board of the cab area is part of the body assembly.
The assembly is then trucked to the body builder. But the seat and belts are already installed by the factory, which makes it safety equipment. Which none of the items that sober mentioned are factory installed safety equipment.
Riddle me this Batman, how did the truck factory do this?
As far as safety team, there is nothing your local safety team can do, this is something that has to be handled at the national level. Been there, done that.
Now THAT I can agree with, my local safety committee is about as useful as Sober's.
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stevetheupsguy
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I want to include the automatic chasis lube thing that was installed in my 800.
If that is so, then how do you explain an old seat being switched out with this one?
dannyboy
From the promised LAND
Riddle me this Batman, how did the truck factory do this?
Very simply. They install the belt with the bracket at the other end. They then fold it across the seat so so that the guys that put on the body then bolt it to the frame of the doorway.
I see the basic body off trucks being shuttled down the road all the time on the back of a flatbed. Frame, motor, tranny, wheels and steering wheel and seat. No hood or cab of any kind. The belt is installed on them 100% of the time. And the ones that have a shoulder harness are laid across the seat. the basic chassis. Its not until it gets to the body shop that the body gets put on.
The only reason that I know they are UPS bound and not for someone else is that the front bumper is already painted brown.
As for changing out the seat, it again is not a safety item. You can not change a safety item out without the exchanged item being an approved item. Period.
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soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
Well apparently they were able to get GMC and International and Freightliner to all agree with replacing the OEM seatbelt with one that had the Telematic sensor in the buckle.
In other words....UPS is more that willing to make such requests in order to install equipment that it deems to be important.
I guess its just a question of priorities. Too bad keeping the drivers brains from being splattered all over the hood isnt one of them.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
I disagree.
If every safety committee nationwide wrote a letter to UPS threatening to resign en masse until 3-point belts were installed, I gurantee you that Corporate would get off of its ass and become willing to make some changes. Issue UPS an ultimatum; you want doughnuts and acronyms and commentaries and a passing grade on your next Keter audit? Then start fixing the seatbelts. Otherwise, we will all quit, and you can simply let your management people play the word games.
It is simply a question of motivation. Protecting its drivers from death or serious injuries caused by substandard equipment is not a priority. Protecting its profits from OSHA fines, however, IS a priority.
A "safety committee" that cannot or will not hold management accountable for dangerous, substandard equipment is useless and should be disbanded and replaced with one that will.
soberups
Pees in the brown Koolaid
You are right, we shouldnt be bothering the Safety Committees with stupid questions about seat belts when there are posters to color and stickers to hand out and acronyms to memorize. Their time is too precious.
