The Concept of Constructive Dissatisfaction

DS

Fenderbender
Flame you? The last time I checked you worked for the other guy. The guy who actively tries to steal my packages every time I go through contract negotiations by telling my customers that there will be a strike this time. While others here are ready to give you their packages because they believe there is plenty for everyone I don't hold those same feelings of love. As far as I'm concerned the brown cafe may as well open theirselves to bestiality and pedophilia now that they have invited fdx in.

You asked a question when you started this thread. You asked the question as if you had already answered it. You flamed yourself.
Tie,really now,this guy is a driver,he's not stealing our packages,he's just doing his job,as far as giving away packages goes,I'm a driver first,moderator is just a hobby,its beyond our control,but bestiality and kiddie porn....I personally like the new fedex forums,its the only place they can go to speak thier minds .This is not an earth shaking change for the browncafe,you are making a big deal of nothing.
 

tieguy

Banned
Tie,really now,this guy is a driver,he's not stealing our packages,he's just doing his job,as far as giving away packages goes,I'm a driver first,moderator is just a hobby,its beyond our control,but bestiality and kiddie porn....I personally like the new fedex forums,its the only place they can go to speak thier minds .This is not an earth shaking change for the browncafe,you are making a big deal of nothing.

maybe I am. change the name to the brown, blue, green,orange and red cafe.
Honestly DS I don't know what the guy is and I don't know his intentions when he asks questions here.
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
Actually the book speaks very highly about the UPS service provider. But the book is actually how UPS evolved over t he years to allow the company to grow instead of die like so many other companies that never "drove change". If change is not part of our past and future then we would have no future.

Hmmm, interesting, jim casey wanted to get more into the air side of moving packages in the 30's and did for some time until others around him decided it was best to stay away from it because of the depression and other factors, doesnt seem like change to me....and look what happen because of it....a little company called fedex. If it wasnt for companies like fedex and airborne, ups would still be a total ground company. Ups has always been a little behind the curve in change, think about it. Ups should have been in europe years ago, besides germany. They should have had a ltl trucking company years ago, it only makes sense, the only reason they finally caved in was because fedex had a freight division that is now #2 in the nation. How long did ups fight the drivers and the union on being able to wear shorts, yes its a small detail, in the big picture of ups, they didnt want "change", now look at the shorts, they are world famous. Everybody looks at ups as the slow brown slug, so im not sure why everyone thinks ups is up there with some of the top companies who encourage and look for other avenues for growth .
 

Coldworld

60 months and counting
maybe I am. change the name to the brown, blue, green,orange and red cafe.
Honestly DS I don't know what the guy is and I don't know his intentions when he asks questions here.

Hey at least Mr. fedex is honest about his feelings about fedex, its so much better that that *** monte carlo 11 that use to be on here and Im sure you and a few others remember... how fedex couldnt do no wrong and that they were going to shut ups down....that BS really got old after awhile.
 
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over9five

Moderator
Staff member
"that ***"


Dear Moderator Team,
Totally off subject, but why am I overly moderated when I use this sort of shorthand but it is ok for others? Must be part of the Miserable User program....
 

HEFFERNAN

Huge Member
I was told by my center manager that he was required to read the book. Is it a little propaganda for the company? yes
But it has a lot of insight on how our company was made and why we took the directions we took.

When my center manager was talking to me about the book, I opened my bag and pulled out the same book. He was impressed.

I've been with the company since '95, 3 years as a PT sup, and UPS will always have lofty goals set to high to reach. But where we fall short, will be left higher than other companies
 

pretzel_man

Well-Known Member
I was told by my center manager that he was required to read the book. Is it a little propaganda for the company? yes
But it has a lot of insight on how our company was made and why we took the directions we took.

When my center manager was talking to me about the book, I opened my bag and pulled out the same book. He was impressed.

I've been with the company since '95, 3 years as a PT sup, and UPS will always have lofty goals set to high to reach. But where we fall short, will be left higher than other companies

I thought Driving Change was a good book. Even though I've been here for 30 years, I learned a lot that I didn't know. I became even more proud of what the people of this company have achieved.

Is that propaganda? I don't know.

The author of the book, Mike B came to my region. I had a chance to have a good chat with him. He was honestly impressed with UPS. He travelled all over the world talking with all sorts of UPSers. He delivered multiple times and worked the hub.

I know he wrote the book from the perspective that he got from meeting all of our people.

My boss wanted everyone to read the book too. He didn't mandate it, but we wanted to read it anyway.

P-Man
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
Thanks to all of those who gave their honest feedback about the book and my question. It sounds like Casey's ideas still live on at UPS, and that's probably a good thing. I'm sorry pure Brown TieGuy thinks that we've somehow invaded his turf or something, but if you're on the labor side of the equation hourlies have a lot in common between the two companies. Like I said, we have so many ex-UPS people, especially in management, that there is a lot of Brown within FedEx.

Hindsight is always 20/20, and now that we've gone so far downhill, I wish I'd bit the bullet, gone PT, and stayed with UPS. I think a lot of the UPS drivers and managers who went over to FedEx probably regret their decision now. Since our management buyout a few years back, most first-line and senior managers saw their responsibilities double overnight.

I think Casey's vision was spot-on,and I think the big difference between UPS and FedEx is that UPS has remained more or less faithful to it's original ideals.
 

DorkHead

Well-Known Member
No I'm not kidding anyone; the company policies and principles withstood the test of time thus we celebrate our 100 year aniversary.

While you and the other moderators here have elected to kiss the fdx tucasa I choose to discuss casey with those who have earned the right.

Tieguy, lighten up
 

55andout?

Well-Known Member
Hmmm, interesting, jim casey wanted to get more into the air side of moving packages in the 30's and did for some time until others around him decided it was best to stay away from it because of the depression and other factors, doesnt seem like change to me....and look what happen because of it....a little company called fedex. If it wasnt for companies like fedex and airborne, ups would still be a total ground company. Ups has always been a little behind the curve in change, think about it. Ups should have been in europe years ago, besides germany. They should have had a ltl trucking company years ago, it only makes sense, the only reason they finally caved in was because fedex had a freight division that is now #2 in the nation. How long did ups fight the drivers and the union on being able to wear shorts, yes its a small detail, in the big picture of ups, they didnt want "change", now look at the shorts, they are world famous. Everybody looks at ups as the slow brown slug, so im not sure why everyone thinks ups is up there with some of the top companies who encourage and look for other avenues for growth .
Hmmmm.......Started out as bike messangers and now we are the largest in the industry......sounds like some driving change to me. And Fedex is a lot more like UPS then UPS is like Fedex.
 

over9five

Moderator
Staff member
"Can't read every post.
Thanks for pointing it out.
It's fixed."


<sigh> You miss my point. I don't think *either* should have to be deleted. They were only letters, not swears. Just because some imagine them to stand for swears, does not make them swears.
 

satellitedriver

Moderator
"Can't read every post.
Thanks for pointing it out.
It's fixed."


<sigh> You miss my point. I don't think *either* should have to be deleted. They were only letters, not swears. Just because some imagine them to stand for swears, does not make them swears.
Not to belabor a point,but,
simple letters(that have obvious meaning) placed in a sentence become the same as saying the words.
SOB, by itself, means to cry.
Place it in a sentence that begins with, "you are a", and you get a clear message.
I can string expletives together that would make a drunken Marine blush, but BC is not the place for them.
PAX
 

DorkHead

Well-Known Member
Why ? Am I being heavily moderated again? Can't say anything when we invite the terrorists over and build them a house?


Why?? Because your choice of words is demonstrating a total lack of professionalism, that`s why. Management or Hourlies should never publicly run down the competition.
 

tieguy

Banned
Why?? Because your choice of words is demonstrating a total lack of professionalism, that`s why. Management or Hourlies should never publicly run down the competition.

You go right ahead and kiss their buts all you want. I don't owe them a thing.
 

MrFedEx

Engorged Member
According to TieGuy, I'm a Purple "terrorist", so I better choose my words carefully to avoid hurting his feelings. On second thought, maybe I don't really care what he thinks. But I am very glad I don't work for him. He sounds like a one-way street sort of person...his way, or else.

As a UPS manager, however, he should be very aware of how important FedEx issues are to UPS, especially now with all of the things happening at Ground. If things continue to go as badly as they have for Mr Smith lately, UPS stands to see a significant move upwards in volume when FedEx rates go up(a lot) to cover their increased costs of business. The playing field in the ground business will be lot more level when FedEx Ground people become true "employees".

If FedEx Express goes Teamster, UPS will also see a spike in their air business for the same reason....the artificially low labor cost advantage FedEx has enjoyed for years will be eliminated, and FedEx will have to jack-up rates on the air side as well. UPS upper management is investing big-bucks lobbying for FedEx Express to be re-classified under the NLRA instead of the RLA. Obviously, they think that FedEx is a pertinent UPS issue as well.

Sorry if you think we've invaded your sanctuary TieGuy, but there are plenty of issues that cross the line between Purple and Brown. The vast majority of our posts are in our own FedEx Forum and shouldn't bother you. Hell, please feel free to post anything you'd like there....maybe you'd learn something. Oh, that's right, you already know everything.

Anyway, I've got to go now so I can create some more Purple IED's to further tick-off TieGuy. Jeez....
 

moreluck

golden ticket member
I like the fact that FedEx is included in the Brown Cafe. They have their own section and it was nice of Cheryl to accomodate them.

I don't have to read that section if them being there ticks me off......which it doesn't.

So far, the posts have been civil and they are behaving as they should as a guest in someone else's house.

After they become Teamsters, maybe others will feel the love. :wink2:
 

UPS Lifer

Well-Known Member
Moreluck, I think you hit it on the head about the Teamsters. Until Fedex is on the same playing field as UPS it is hard for some to embrace them the same as other UPSers.

Of course, now the FDX stock price is finally coming down because of all the problems that have surfaced recently. Rates still play a significant role in what happens at UPS. If FDX were Teamsters then their rates would probably be higher and they would have to be more creative to make a buck. Maybe they would have to curtail all that advertising!!! No more FedEx this or that!!

There are drivers out there that see how much they (FDX) affect UPS....AND there are those drivers that only think of how increased volume affects them. They don't see the big picture. There is another thread that talks about what it takes to build new facilities and it relates to a lot of what is being said right here. New facilities-vehicles-equipment ....ohhhh new Teamsters also are the direct result of increased business. If the competitive advantage swings our way than the growing pains will once again start and that will be a good thing!

I was there in '73, when Federal Express started and I watched some of my volume slip away to this new start up company who copied everything we did including the account books and account numbers as well as the COD tags etc. I wondered how they got away with it. UPS was to worried about being considered a monopoly and the lawsuits that go with that (as well as the possible breakup ...like Standard Oil) to do anything to make waves. I also watched Roadway implode. Little did I know back then!

So - I guess I can understand why Tie feels like he does but I also know that today is a different world....There is an old saying that goes something like this.... "keep your friends close and your enemies closer!"
 
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