Training 22.4's

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by scoutlover, Jan 8, 2019.

  1. What'dyabringmetoday???

    What'dyabringmetoday??? Well-Known Member

    Well, Teamster math means there can be 40 in each building. "Have to pick our battles..."
  2. CoolStoryBro

    CoolStoryBro Active Member

    Fake news. the 5,000 figure is in section 22.3. Nothing of the sort in section 22.4.

    22.3 drivers and 22.4 drivers are entirely different classifications of drivers. 22.3 drivers are in existence right now in most ups buildings. 22.4 drivers don't exist yet.

    Read it yourself here:
  3. I got some paperwork at home. I'm pretty sure somewhere it said 5000 new full-time 22.4 jobs
  4. scoutlover

    scoutlover Member

    Must've missed this post. There is the old language about training routes that's been there for years. Nothing about how it pertains to 22.4. They did add a line that say all training routes have to be used equally. That's new and a welcome addition.
  5. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    Smoke and mirrors
  6. burrheadd

    burrheadd KING Of GIFS

    Don’t see a 22.4 doing much inside the building maybe cover call ins or when extra heavy. Why would they pay a 22.4 $30 an hour to do a part timers work that gets paid $15 or less
  7. Oak

    Oak Active Member

    I wouldn't think any route that would be considered for a training route would be "highly sought" after by a seniority driver.
  8. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Here in my area 22.4s will be used predominantly as drivers. So they will be trained on a route for 30 days to qualify.

    If you take a training route I would say it's a safe bet that you will be pulled off it so that they can train 22.4s

    This is why I asked if you have training route language. You will need to know it well so you can enfore it if you bid a training route.

    Does your Supplmental have any language on 22.4s? Some thing more then just the Master language?
  9. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I hate to break this to you man but you're wrong.

    22.4s will be counted towards the newly created 5000 22.3 jobs.

    Read it for yourself.


  10. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    Its at least 5000 new 22.3/22.4 jobs. More then that will be created I'm sure.


    The 5000 new 22.3/22.4 jobs is the least they have to create across the country.

    The 25% is just the cap in each building. Unless the union agrees to more.

  11. I knew I seen 5000 somewhere
  12. scoutlover

    scoutlover Member

    Our training routes are highly sought after. Some time ago, prior to us getting Orion, the time allowances were changed in our building to unobtainable numbers. Our best "runners" barely come in under an hour over allowed. Our slowest routinely run 2 to 3 hours over. I've seen some guys have 4 and 5 hour over days. It was at that time they made our best routes training routes because they were the only ones a new hire had a chance of running less than 1.5 hours over on.
  13. scoutlover

    scoutlover Member

    We do have specific language on training runs. They get 30 days and no more, and now will have rotate training runs. In the past they would pick 1 or 2 and have a revolving door of new people on it.

    I'll reread the supplement but I don't recall anything earthshakingly different from the master.
  14. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    Also, the 2000 new sleeper runs created in feeders will be deducted from the 5000.
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  15. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I didn't see that language. Where was that stated?
  16. BigUnionGuy

    BigUnionGuy Got the T-Shirt

    I can't remember right now.

    Someone else posted that.... and I said BS.

    Ate crow on that one.

    When I get a chance, I'll research my post's and find it.

    It might have been from one of the contract "chats" with the IBT.
  17. The Real Jack RyanMI6

    The Real Jack RyanMI6 Active Member

    I see your point.
    My understanding is these are 2 separate issues as the company interprets the contract.
    1. The 5000 22.3 jobs will infact be rebid as 22.4 as 22.3's retire or leave by other means.
    2. The 25% rule as you've shown.
    Will that be what happens, don't have a clue!
    My educated guess would be UPS will attempt the above scenario after the contract is in affect, let the issue go to national panel and see what they can get.
    Perhaps its already been sorted out ?
  18. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    The 5000 jobs haven't been bid yet. So they will not have to be rebid. They will be created and mostly all be 22.4 jobs.

    All current 22.3 jobs should be protected. If they are rebid and turned into 22.4 job this should be filed on ASAP.
  19. The Real Jack RyanMI6

    The Real Jack RyanMI6 Active Member

    Thanks I'll look out for that we have a 22.3 that will be rebid in our center in the next little while. I'm not going for it but I'll make sure the steward isn't distracted and misses it thanks again for the response. Till next time JR
  20. Grey

    Grey Active Member

    When do 22.4’s start because I need a day off.
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