Under No Circumstances Can 22.4 Be Allowed To Remain

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by Imchar1, Aug 23, 2018.

  1. Imchar1

    Imchar1 Member

    Is there a union equivalent to the congressional switchboard where you can call the people that came up with this "contract" and tell them to shove it up their ass? Everyday the details just keep getting worse.
     
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  2. iruhnman630

    iruhnman630 Well-Known Member

    Are you prepared to work Saturdays and Sundays?

    22.4 is the unions' answer to that problem.
     
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  3. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    22.4 is what the Company and Union say is the answer to the weekend delivery problem. But that's actually just an excuse for them to start filling the full time ranks with lesser-paid drivers with no overtime protections while trashing the 40 hour guarantee for pre-existing drivers who are paid more.
     
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  4. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    It's gonna happen. This contract is gonna pass, and it won't even be a shady deal, there is enough in this contract to make the votes happen. Progression drivers get a good bump, top drivers see that magic $40/hr, newer PT get a big bump, older PT are gonna be making good money and are getting that retirement kick, and lastly, a TON of PTers are gonna go for this 22.4 because it is the fastest avenue to FT. I can't really even blame them, the money and starting progression is enticing. Hell, I'd even bet that a good percentage of the chivalrous 'no' crowd will secretly vote in favor of it. Watch.
     
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  5. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Totally understand why they would. What they can't understand until they go FT is that 22.4 will likely also be the fastest avenue to their departures from UPS due to physical and mental breakdowns.

    The job can't consistently be well-done and in a safe manner if you're the underclass pack mule that always gets piled on. Which the language in the Contract sets 22.4s up for perfectly. It'll be a FT trap that former part timers won't be able to come back from.
     
  6. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    Totally agree, man. Just not sure how they can be saved from themselves.
     
  7. km3

    km3 Well-Known Member

    Not sure if I see this happening in my building. PTers aren't signing up to be RPCDs, and they're hurting right now. I bet a few people sign up for it early on, but once the secret's out about how 22.4s are being used exclusively to drive, and not to perform other work, people will stop signing up.

    The only FT jobs PTers in my build ever sign up for anymore are the Article 22.3 Inside/Inside jobs. Combos posted as Loader/Loader for Twilight and Midnight get more signatures than the FT driver bid.
     
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  8. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    Even if only a few sign up and the secret gets out, its gonna be too late, it'll already be in our contract...
     
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  9. iruhnman630

    iruhnman630 Well-Known Member

    I don't disagree, but the question stands: are you willing to work Saturdays and Sundays if the 22.4 idea goes away?
     
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  10. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I am willing to work Sat-Sun till I reach enough seniority to not have to.
     
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  11. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    I'd have no problem working weekends, as long as I still got two consecutive days off. Ask up and coming part timers if they would rather work weekends as a 22.4 or as an rpcd. I'll save you some time, the answer is rpcd.
     
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  12. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    I think what he is trying to say is that "he" is not willing to work weekends and doesn't care what happens as long as he doesn't have to.
     
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  13. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    1-800-867-5309
     
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  14. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

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  15. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Doesn't care what happens... to other people.
     
  16. There are other well paying union jobs where the lower seniority persons have to work the weekend but their unions were smart enough to get them on a rotating schedule so they can have one out of ever three weekends off I don't think the Baltimore bozo .... awe frank it he just doesn't think.
     
  17. WorkingAsDirected

    WorkingAsDirected Active Member

    Older PT get screwed over the most.
     
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  18. jaker

    jaker trolling

    You guys think maybe 22.4 could be a failure, work comp cases, injures, accidents and etc go way up and start costing the company to much
     
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  19. Thanks Tony Q
     
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  20. The company, the union, and the stockholders dont care.

    And the customers will suffer.
     
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