UPS and Teamsters Discuss Two-Tier Wages, Sunday Deliveries---WSJ

[BrownFlush]

And what is your proposal for combating concessions and not accepting the jokes leading this union off a cliff?

I'm out. Just a cheerleader.
We proposed/authorized a strike. Enjoyed some good years after '97. Then its back to what you are dealing with now.
Looks like about every 20 years UPS needs a reality check to realize where the bread and butter comes from.
A strike works if members DON'T concede. It appears you have thrown in the towel.

 

[Jkloc420]

Saturday and Sunday are going to be in this contract. The only question is who is going to do the delivering. The union will want to do this because it means more union dues. If they do do this there better be a big bump in pay and no forcing people in when their understaffed

 

[SteveOUPS]

I can accept a two tier wage system

 

[Box Ox]

Hopefully they come up with some strong language to protect the number of m-friend jobs at the current pay structure, otherwise it's going to slowly fade away as people retire out of those positions.

Could always try to work to death/abuse the “grandfathered” top rate drivers. See which ones would rather quit than fight back. Replace ‘em with the new class of lower paid driver whenever they go. What’s the Union gonna do? It was too weak to resist TWO TIER PAY!

I think two-tier could definitely place a management target on the backs of upper tier drivers.

 

[Tired Driver]

Could always try to work to death/abuse the “grandfathered” top rate drivers. See which ones would rather quit than fight back. Replace ‘em with the new class of lower paid driver whenever they go. What’s the Union gonna do? It was too weak to resist TWO TIER PAY!

I think two-tier could definitely place a management target on the backs of upper tier drivers.

That is what happened the red circle workers in eighties. A target was on their back.

 

[BrownFlush]

I can accept a two tier wage system

Divide and conquer. As if there is not enough infighting already.

 

[MyTripisCut]

The problem I see is most don’t want to work weekends. But they don’t want to see a lower pay scale or a divided driving work force. Well, the time to fix this was when weekend language was put in over the course of many years ago. Too late. And most of the senior guys are grandfathered in anyway, so they don’t have to worry about it.

 

[sandwich]

Yea hold on to that hope. 2 things need to be realized, drivers are bringing on our own demise by how much we get paid, the union is selling us down the river with no repercussions.

Didn't the company just make record profits again?

 

[Jkloc420]

The problem I see is most don’t want to work weekends. But they don’t want to see a lower pay scale or a divided driving work force. Well, the time to fix this was when weekend language was put in over the course of many years ago. Too late. And most of the senior guys are grandfathered in anyway, so they don’t have to worry about it.

weekend work is coming, union wants more union dues. Weekend work is a win for the union

 

[silenze]

Negative. What i was saying was our pay at some point needs to be frozen with a progression. We cant keep getting raises and expecting free healthcare, its unrealistic.

You also come in an hour early and sort your truck and deliver during your lunch because you feel you are overpaid?

 

[MyTripisCut]

Negative. What i was saying was our pay at some point needs to be frozen with a progression. We cant keep getting raises and expecting free healthcare, its unrealistic.

Why is it unrealistic? Profits are way up. They are spending ridiculous amounts on technology, we should keep getting ours as well.

Didn't the company just make record profits again?

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[Staydryitsraining]

You also come in an hour early and sort your truck and deliver during your lunch because you feel you are overpaid?

Actually I never have done either.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

Why is it unrealistic? Profits are way up. They are spending ridiculous amounts on technology, we should keep getting ours as well.


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Im thinking long term, not just till you retire.

 

[silenze]

The problem I see is most don’t want to work weekends. But they don’t want to see a lower pay scale or a divided driving work force. Well, the time to fix this was when weekend language was put in over the course of many years ago. Too late. And most of the senior guys are grandfathered in anyway, so they don’t have to worry about it.

The only people working weekends are new hires with less then 5 years.

 

[sandwich]

Im thinking long term, not just till you retire.

We (teamsters) are thinking long term as well.

 

[Staydryitsraining]

The only people working weekends are new hires with less then 5 years.

Or people who want to follow their routes if they were moved to T-S.

 

[Inthegame]

weekend work is coming, union wants more union dues. Weekend work is a win for the union

Right, that's why the proposed pay rate will be lower, so the union can get less dues. Brilliant!
You do understand the concept here right? It's pt's working weekend shifts. No more dues.

 

[542thruNthru]

The only people working weekends are new hires with less then 5 years.

This is not exactly true. It's any new driver under 10 years. That doesn't count the 7-10 years PT they worked. They put in their time to become and driver and enjoy the same benefits as any other driver before them.

 

[Jkloc420]

Right, that's why the proposed pay rate will be lower, so the union can get less dues. Brilliant!
You do understand the concept here right? It's pt's working weekend shifts. No more dues.

you do realize they dont have a weekend work force big enough to handle what ups wants. This is across the whole ups network. Furthermore you realize there are more part timers now then full timers right

 

[Jones]

Drop the union. Only way to make sure were treated right. They need to wake up.

This post has got to be a finalist for the Darwin Award.