Who Is Voting Yes or No?

[Driver7906]

I disagree. UPS can afford alot more and better 9.5 language wouldn't kill them.

Yeah? How much more should the company be paying us to drive trucks and move cardboard?

 

[RangerMan06]

Yeah? How much more should the company be paying us to drive trucks and move cardboard?

As much as we can squeeze out of them and still remain profitable.

 

[Thebrownblob]

As much as we can squeeze out of them and still remain profitable.

How much is that? If you’re voting No you’re probably gonna need a pretty good number to give to the negotiators. And don’t forget your health and welfare is worth about 60 K a year that you don’t see.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

How much is that? If you’re voting No you’re probably gonna need a pretty good number to give to the negotiators. And don’t forget your health and welfare is worth about 60 K a year that you don’t see.

My pay time off with this new contract is going to be worth almost $19,000 a year

 

[RangerMan06]

How much is that? If you’re voting No you’re probably gonna need a pretty good number to give to the negotiators. And don’t forget your health and welfare is worth about 60 K a year that you don’t see.

Well by comparison the UAW makes $60 an hour to put on hubcaps... and are less profitable than we are??

 

[Thebrownblob]

Well by comparison the UAW makes $60 an hour to put on hubcaps... and are less profitable than we are??

And they’re laid off a lot as well sometimes for weeks at a time.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

And they’re laid off a lot as well sometimes for weeks at a time.

And how many of their jobs have they outsourced to mexico?

 

[Thebrownblob]

And how many of their jobs have they outsourced to mexico?

That is correct and they have roughly half the members we do between three companies

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

That is correct and they have roughly half the members we do between three companies

I wonder what their benefits package looks like?

 

[upschuck]

And they’re laid off a lot as well sometimes for weeks at a time.

And our guys aren't?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

And our guys aren't?

Low seniority

 

[Thebrownblob]

And our guys aren't?

Depends where you’re at I suppose we really didn’t have anyone actually laid off for more than a week or two. And our layoff they worked in the building and made the same pay, as well as the same benefits.

 

[Thebrownblob]

Low seniority

Correct we have a Ford and a Chevy plant here in town and they’ve both shut down a couple times of year and everyone’s is laid off. And that’s when things are normal. If things are slow, it’s worse.

 

[Pullman Brown]

And how many of their jobs have they outsourced to mexico?

42,396

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Well by comparison the UAW makes $60 an hour to put on hubcaps... and are less profitable than we are??

Well we are in the package delivery industry not though Auto industry

Look at what we make compared to everyone else

 

[Thebrownblob]

Well we are in the package delivery industry not though Auto industry

Look at what we make compared to everyone else

Yes and most of the people voting no have no idea what they actually want or what is feasible because they haven’t done much research. They just feel. A well informed No vote is just fine. One that is not informed and just voting No it’s not.

 

[upschuck]

Depends where you’re at I suppose we really didn’t have anyone actually laid off for more than a week or two. And our layoff they worked in the building and made the same pay, as well as the same benefits.

But the bottom inside get laid off.

Correct we have a Ford and a Chevy plant here in town and they’ve both shut down a couple times of year and everyone’s is laid off. And that’s when things are normal. If things are slow, it’s worse.

Usually they'll do that when they have supply problems, or when demand is low. Cheaper for them to either go full bore or nothing. Used to live just outside of Motown.

Where I live now, the plant shuts down every year for 2 or 3 weeks in the summer. Part of employees PTO.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Yes and most of the people voting no have no idea what they actually want or what is feasible because they haven’t done much research. They just feel. A well informed No vote is just fine. One that is not informed and just voting No it’s not.

We got a couple here I'm ready to punch them in the neck.

 

[Brownsocks]

Well by comparison the UAW makes $60 an hour to put on hubcaps... and are less profitable than we are??

I'm pretty sure UAW is topping out at $32hr right now and are demanding a 40% pay raise that the industry is calling unrealistic. You also have to remember that they have to live in constant fear of permanent layoffs. The UAW is General Motors largest shareholder and I think that is a conflict of interest. I am happily a UPS Teamster.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

I'm pretty sure UAW is topping out at $32hr right now and are demanding a 40% pay raise that the industry is calling unrealistic. You also have to remember that they have to live in constant fear of permanent layoffs. The UAW is General Motors largest shareholder and I think that is a conflict of interest. I am happily a UPS Teamster.

We do okay


We do a lot better than a lot of other people