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Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
They're going to get those areas.
Anyone with half a brain knew it from the start.
many of those areas want to break away from Ukraine. They have not been treated well. But someone to continue to push for war not peace or negotiation. Is Putin hardheaded? absolutely. Would he accept a way out Yhat could hsave some face, as well as give Ukraine peace? Absolutely. The alternative is the world on fire.
 

Thebrownblob

Well-Known Member
I didn’t know it from the start. So I have less than half a brain?
Not necessarily, Ukrainia/Russian politics are not something Americans know much about. Purposely honestly, it is very difficult to get truth from either side. there has been accusations of atrocities on both sides.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
Not necessarily, Ukrainia/Russian politics are not something Americans know much about. Purposely honestly, it is very difficult to get truth from either side. there has been accusations of atrocities on both sides.
7 months ago:
Putin is probably going to walk away from Kiev with control of the regions he wanted, guarantees they won't join NATO, and Russian lackeys embedded in the Ukrainian government.

He's literally getting everything he wanted and Democrats are going to back off on sanctions and spin it as a win because nukes weren't used. And their sheep voters will parrot that narrative.
Notice how Putin threatening nukes is back in the headlines? Democrats are going to claim this as a win, bank on it.

In reality all they did was sit by and watch Ukraine be destroyed.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
They're going to get those areas.
Anyone with half a brain knew it from the start.
The previous 10 or so years has driven out much of the Ukrainian majority. At this point if the Ukrainians do take it back it's likely the Russians will torch everything as they retreat. So hollow victory if the Ukrainians manage to win.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
7 months ago:

Notice how Putin threatening nukes is back in the headlines? Democrats are going to claim this as a win, bank on it.

In reality all they did was sit by and watch Ukraine be destroyed.
We've been watching the Russians get destroyed lately. Putin sent in 150,000 men. They were supposedly going to wipe out the Ukrainians quickly and take over. Now after fleeing and leaving tons of equipment Putin is asking for 300,000 men, most of whom will be poorly trained. And supposedly behind the scenes he's wanting a million men. The Ukrainians have millions of fighting age men who are actually fighting for something. And just got more equipment from the Russians than the entire West has supplied them with so far. It ain't over til it's over.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
We've been watching the Russians get destroyed lately. Putin sent in 150,000 men. They were supposedly going to wipe out the Ukrainians quickly and take over. Now after fleeing and leaving tons of equipment Putin is asking for 300,000 men, most of whom will be poorly trained. And supposedly behind the scenes he's wanting a million men. The Ukrainians have millions of fighting age men who are actually fighting for something. And just got more equipment from the Russians than the entire West has supplied them with so far. It ain't over til it's over.
Yes same narrative from 7 months ago.
The previous 10 or so years has driven out much of the Ukrainian majority. At this point if the Ukrainians do take it back it's likely the Russians will torch everything as they retreat. So hollow victory if the Ukrainians manage to win.
Yup.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
7 months ago the Russians were poised to take Kyiv.
Yes that was the narrative the mainstream media was pushing. Yet 7 months ago:
Putin is probably going to walk away from Kiev with control of the regions he wanted, guarantees they won't join NATO, and Russian lackeys embedded in the Ukrainian government.
And here we are.
Listen buddy, I'm not on the ground in Ukraine, I didn't come up with that on my own. But I know who not to listen to.

So the question is, why are you still believing the people who sold you the narrative that he was "poised to take kiev"?
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
Yes that was the narrative the mainstream media was pushing. Yet 7 months ago:

And here we are.
Listen buddy, I'm not on the ground in Ukraine, I didn't come up with that on my own. But I know who not to listen to.

So the question is, why are you still believing the people who sold you the narrative that he was "poised to take kiev"?
So you're saying the Russians didn't roll right up to the edge of Kyiv and hammered suburbs and apartment buildings? It's all some controlled narrative? The Ukrainians didn't fight them off? What exactly do you think the Russians and Ukrainians have been doing for 7 months? Maybe the Russians aren't really in Ukraine and all of this is just a ploy to split billions between Biden and his cronies, Zelensky and his buddies, and Putin and his oligarchs. Europe isn't really going to have a bad winter after Putin cut off the gas. Nah, it's all a lie to deceive the public. Getting into rickyb Matrix territory here.
 

Babagounj

Strength through joy
The Russia's planning failure is why Kiev never fell.
Who invades another country without critical supply lines secured ?
Should we start calling this Operation Market Garden 2 ?
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
The Russia's planning failure is why Kiev never fell.
Who invades another country without critical supply lines secured ?
Should we start calling this Operation Market Garden 2 ?
The Russians were arrogant. They never, it appears, took into account that the Ukrainians have been planning since their independence for the day that Russia would invade. The Ukrainians knew exactly where every choke point was that could be destroyed and cut off supplies. They repeatedly took the Russians by surprise, often turning them into sitting ducks. When the Russians invaded Georgia they ran over Georgia. They assumed it would go that way in Ukraine. And they've lost tens of thousands of men because of it.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
So you're saying the Russians didn't roll right up to the edge of Kyiv and hammered suburbs and apartment buildings?
No I'm not. How did you come to that stupid conclusion?

Maybe you should go back to the beginning of this exchange and try to figure out where you got lost.
 

vantexan

Well-Known Member
No I'm not. How did you come to that stupid conclusion?

Maybe you should go back to the beginning of this exchange and try to figure out where you got lost.
You've been saying from the get go that Russia is getting exactly what it wanted all along. If that was so they wouldn't have lost so many men, so much equipment, and are now calling up hundreds of thousands of conscripts. They wanted the whole enchilada, not just the Donbas. Putin has spoken often about how he resented the break up of the Soviet Union. And of all the former Soviet republics Ukraine is the jewel. The first Rus empire was centered in Kyiv. It means something to him. And I was aware of that long before any of our networks started discussing the war. Whenever I visit a country I delve into its history. You're playing checkers with me. I prefer chess.
 
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floridays

Well-Known Member
No I'm not. How did you come to that stupid conclusion?

Maybe you should go back to the beginning of this exchange and try to figure out where you got lost.
Second attempt from a less than half brain.

Use your half a brain and tell me which "they" will get "those areas" and at what cost?
I see you have exposed another less than half brain, @vantexan.

Who will get the territories and at what cost?
You have it all figured out.
 

DriveInDriѵeOut

Inordinately Right
You've been saying from the get go that Russia is getting exactly what it wanted all along. If that was so they wouldn't have lost so many men, so much equipment, and are now calling up hundreds of thousands of conscripts.
Seven months and you still haven't caught on.
Another post of mine from back in March:
You think Russians care about how many soldiers they lose? This is how they fight, throwing soldiers into the meat grinder.

That's been their prime military tactic for a hundred years. The current assault is cookie cutter playbook. Encircle, then slow brutal assault, just like Berlin. You're just speaking from a place of historical ignorance.
 
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