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slowdriver

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I can't believe people blame entitlements for the rediculous debt levels, when just a few short years ago some 5 trillion plus, 1/3rd of our gdp, was used to socialize(socialism) the losses of some of the largest banks and corporations, just to prevent their failure, when glass-steagall would have prevented all that mess, a law introduced to prevent another great depression, repealed by bought and paid for clinton in the early 90s
 

DontThrowPackages

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As I recall the Democrat Party had members of the Ku Klux Klan like Robert Byrd. Dr. Ben Carson made some excellent points at the Republican debate recently and is one of a number of Black men and women out there who'd make a great President.
We all know those Democrats left the party and joined the GOP. We all know this.
I can't believe people blame entitlements for the rediculous debt levels, when just a few short years ago some 5 trillion plus, 1/3rd of our gdp, was used to socialize(socialism) the losses of some of the largest banks and corporations, just to prevent their failure, when glass-steagall would have prevented all that mess, a law introduced to prevent another great depression, repealed by bought and paid for clinton in the early 90s
You wanna know why? Because they don't dare question military spending. Imaging someone get run over and put in the hospital by JJ Watt but complain to high heaven because the nurse rapped the rubber tube around his arm a little tight. That's what we have here.
 

DontThrowPackages

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slowdriver

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We all know those Democrats left the party and joined the GOP. We all know this.

You wanna know why? Because they don't dare question military spending. Imaging someone get run over and put in the hospital by JJ Watt but complain to high heaven because the nurse rapped the rubber tube around his arm a little tight. That's what we have here.
No kidding the military industrial complex is an even larger contributer to the gigantic debt load, but as the "economists" say, we can always print our way out of debt.. seems to be working real well over in Japan 0 percent rates over 20 years, and endless quantitative easing, still no "recovery"
 

vantexan

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No kidding the military industrial complex is an even larger contributer to the gigantic debt load, but as the "economists" say, we can always print our way out of debt.. seems to be working real well over in Japan 0 percent rates over 20 years, and endless quantitative easing, still no "recovery"
You really need to get your facts straight. Entitlement spending and servicing the debt interest takes up the majority of the budget now. Obama has reduced the size of the military to pre WWII levels.
 

vantexan

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We all know those Democrats left the party and joined the GOP. We all know this.

You wanna know why? Because they don't dare question military spending. Imaging someone get run over and put in the hospital by JJ Watt but complain to high heaven because the nurse rapped the rubber tube around his arm a little tight. That's what we have here.
Robert Byrd was a Democrat to the end and was lauded at his funeral by Bill Clinton.
 

vantexan

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Get what facts straight? I said contributed ie. Bush
Still wrong. The national debt has doubled under Obama, and still growing. Bush spent plenty, but nowhere near as much as Obama. And you said you can't believe people still blame entitlements. They're the majority of the budget. It's not a matter of how evil entitlements are. It's a matter of realizing we can't keep growing them at this pace. Everything has to be reduced, including waste in areas like military spending. Imagine Greece, only much worse. We're headed there eventually.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
There are only 2 choices that have a chance of winning - a Democrat and a Republican and I sure as hell don't want a Republican. I have colored skin, sir.
Which party freed from slavery those of colored skin?

Which party fought to keep people of colored skin in slavery?

I wonder what your ancestors would say if they knew you were voting for the party of racism.
 

realbrown1

Annoy a liberal today. Hit them with facts.
Still wrong. The national debt has doubled under Obama, and still growing. Bush spent plenty, but nowhere near as much as Obama. And you said you can't believe people still blame entitlements. They're the majority of the budget. It's not a matter of how evil entitlements are. It's a matter of realizing we can't keep growing them at this pace. Everything has to be reduced, including waste in areas like military spending. Imagine Greece, only much worse. We're headed there eventually.
You are in the ballpark.

Entitlement spending is a 100% result in the amount we spend on government.

Big government equals big spending on entitlements.

We need to stop all foreign aid.

Cut 80% of the welfare, food stamp program and housing assistance budget.

Reduce government spending on government by 50%.

And pass legislation that encourages job growth here, in the USA.

And build a massive wall between the USA and Mexico, since they can't seem to stop sending us their poor to take American jobs.
 

slowdriver

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Still wrong. The national debt has doubled under Obama, and still growing. Bush spent plenty, but nowhere near as much as Obama. And you said you can't believe people still blame entitlements. They're the majority of the budget. It's not a matter of how evil entitlements are. It's a matter of realizing we can't keep growing them at this pace. Everything has to be reduced, including waste in areas like military spending. Imagine Greece, only much worse. We're headed there eventually.
Hello, is my keyboard on, I already said 5 trillion under Obama..
 

slowdriver

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It's a catch22, if entitlements stop, people will have to fight for jobs, dragging wages down for everyone, causing another depression, massive crime. Government spending could be cut drastically by minimizing government, but the economy will slip into depression as the gdp will be essentially halved, as nearly 50 percent of gdp is government. Or we can keep the shell game going as long as possible much like japan, debt to gdp reaching ridiculous levels until people loose faith in the currency. Either way it's not looking good...
 

vantexan

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Also Hollings of South Carolina. They weren't from 80 years ago either. Republicans are constantly told they're racists by Democrats, but Democrats conveniently look the other way with their own real racists.
 

vantexan

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Hello, is my keyboard on, I already said 5 trillion under Obama..
Nope, Almost 9 trillion and growing. You should read about Cloward and Piven, far left liberal heroes who advocated breaking New York City financially and nearly did in 1975. Looks like Obama is trying to do that on a national scale.
 

vantexan

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It's a catch22, if entitlements stop, people will have to fight for jobs, dragging wages down for everyone, causing another depression, massive crime. Government spending could be cut drastically by minimizing government, but the economy will slip into depression as the gdp will be essentially halved, as nearly 50 percent of gdp is government. Or we can keep the shell game going as long as possible much like japan, debt to gdp reaching ridiculous levels until people loose faith in the currency. Either way it's not looking good...
But you guys put the cart before the horse. There's nothing wrong with giving a hand up. Social programs have their place. But to pay for them we need a strong economy that brings in the revenue. Government doesn't produce anything, it spends. But unfortunately too many see businessmen doing well as evil(really envy). In our system though you'll never have equal outcomes for everyone. We can only hope that most corporate leaders will act in everyone's best interest, not just their own. Which, with the system we have, is unlikely. That's the catch22, hard work to get rewarded, but no reward for hard work from too many like Smith. This is what leads to failed systems like communism. And a lot of grief all around.
 

vantexan

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That's not true. Tax cuts for the rich and company owners where put into place so Jobs and growth would be created. And what happened when given the gift of keeping more of their money? They figure out ways to make and keep even more of it. If you tell a kid, if he does 8 jumping jacks he can have 8 pieces of candy and after the 8th he can have no more even if he performed more jumping jacks, that kid will stop at 8. But if you tell the kid he will be given 12 piece and it was up to "him" to dole out the remain candy to the other kids then he keep it all.
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But aren't we America? The greatest country of all time? Shouldn't living in a country so much better than any other in the history of time mean at the very least a good living??
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Yes Van you're right. People are starting to understand how business is treating them and some of they are giving up and doing to the system what the system has being doing to them. If they can't get a fair wage, drop out of the workforce and get that free check every month. Why bother doing it the right way when all they get is pooped on? With such stagnant wages, sitting at home, watching baby momma TV all day, might be a better option.
Tax cuts under both Reagan and Bush Jr. caused the country to thrive. The big downturns were the dot.com bust and the real estate bubble(by far the biggest). That last one involved both political parties, Wall Street, and millions of people who had no business getting a mortgage. When too many get greedy, we all suffer.
 

slowdriver

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But you guys put the cart before the horse. There's nothing wrong with giving a hand up. Social programs have their place. But to pay for them we need a strong economy that brings in the revenue. Government doesn't produce anything, it spends. But unfortunately too many see businessmen doing well as evil(really envy). In our system though you'll never have equal outcomes for everyone. We can only hope that most corporate leaders will act in everyone's best interest, not just their own. Which, with the system we have, is unlikely. That's the catch22, hard work to get rewarded, but no reward for hard work from too many like Smith. This is what leads to failed systems like communism. And a lot of grief all around.

Reread my post, the only socialism under Obama is corporate socialism, 5 trillion of it.. 4 trillion of the 9 was to maintain the existing entitlement programs that ballooned ever larger due to the recession. I believe we are arguing the same point, we should have maintained limited government as per the constitution, but corporate entanglement in politics have destroyed that, now we are forced to extend and pretend, until it all collapses at some point..
 

MrFedEx

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The environment is very disfavorable to small businesses and incentives are needed for them to thrive.

Examples, please. Your hero Rick Perry is the prototype for the GOP Right-To-Work (for less) state. Lots of jobs because wages stay low and Texas provides huge incentives for companies to relocate there. It's a GOP/Right Wing paradise, much like South Carolina.
 
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