Public perception

[Undertow]

DOT relaxed HOS rules under covid and under hurricanes and other natural disasters. Doesn’t make a difference. When FedEx is working 70 hours a week instead of 60 delivering our extra volume in the summer heat watch how quickly they lose workers.

Congress does not have the power to order us to take a deal. There is no law that enables them to do so.

Especially when many of those workers already despise the conditions they already face without us on strike.

I've met many of them over the last 25 years ( partially due to their accelerated rate of turnover) and all of them that were working in '97 stated that those first two weeks of August were the worst experience they'd ever gone through.

It won't be any better this time around.

 

[Thebrownblob]

They ordered the railway workers to accept the new labor deal just a few months ago.

@bacha29 please understand the difference between the RLA and the NLRB

I’m not here to suggest the president will have zero influence, but he does not control our contract like he did the railway.

 

[bacha29]

To FedEx credit they have said they will severely limit volume probably to save their company from sure disaster.

The last time this happened in 1997 Roadway told it's shippers....."average volume plus 10%....That idea lasted about two days until greedy salesman were out there visiting places they to that point were unable to get into.

We'll see how self disciplined they are this time around. And as antiunion as Fat Freddy is I wouldn't put anything past him if he thinks that he can inflict lasting damage on labor unions.

 

[Cowboy Mac]

The last time this happened in 1997 Roadway told it's shippers....."average volume plus 10%....That idea lasted about two days until greedy salesman were out there visiting places they to that point were unable to get into.

We'll see how self disciplined they are this time around. And as antiunion as Fat Freddy is I wouldn't put anything past him if he thinks that he can inflict lasting damage on labor unions.

Roadway…a real model for success in the trucking industry.

 

[bacha29]

Roadway…a real model for success in the trucking industry.

Survived a lot longer than many other LTL's and by 97 Roadway Package spin off into Calber System was nearly complete.
it's highly unlikely that the president would get involved outside of ordering federal mediation but don't be surprised if antiunion right wing hardliners in congress especially those from RTW states attempt to use whatever legal basis they can extract from the NLRA to do damage to the IBT and unions everywhere.

 

[DELACROIX]

The last time this happened in 1997 Roadway told it's shippers....."average volume plus 10%....That idea lasted about two days until greedy salesman were out there visiting places they to that point were unable to get into.

We'll see how self disciplined they are this time around. And as antiunion as Fat Freddy is I wouldn't put anything past him if he thinks that he can inflict lasting damage on labor unions.

So you’re saying that UPS and their shareholders are willing to become a “Poster Child”
for the rest of the Union Hating Corporate Overlords to prove a point..?

 

[TheBrownNote]

1. United Parcel Service is a publicly traded company
2. It is a common carrier operating at the pleasure and discretion of the U.S. Department of Transportation.
3. It is only one among numerous small package carriers operating in that space and all have significantly increased capacity.
4. If in the event of a UPS work stoppage shipments will slow and be encumbered but not to the extent some of you seem to
believe it will be especially if the DOT and FMSCA decides to enact a temporary relaxation of operating rules under its
emergency powers.
5. And in the end Congress tired of listening to you crying might just step in and order you to take the deal that's on the table.

Number 5 will never happen.

 

[MECH-II]

 

[Coldworld]

Have over 1300 people on here…going to crash the servers any minute now!

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Have over 1300 people on here…going to crash the servers any minute now!

Thank God Upstate isn't here

 

[Thebrownblob]

Thank God Upstate isn't here
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That’s a good amount of people let’s keep up

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

That’s a good amount of people let’s keep up

I'll take credit for it

 

[bacha29]

So you’re saying that UPS and their shareholders are willing to become a “Poster Child”
for the rest of the Union Hating Corporate Overlords to prove a point..?

Misunderstood. Fat Freddy is Fred S. You might have heard of the guy, You know " Mr. Fedex Family",

 

[Crosscutters]

You know people have been brainwashed when they would rather stickup for big business over the average Joe. Especially ones making record profit like ups.

 

[DOK]

Nice pr move by the union, the hold up in the contract appears to be poverty level wages for the part timers, or at least that’s the narrative that they are spinning. All in an effort to gain public support, ingenious.

 

[Sacrificial Lamb]

Nice pr move by the union, the hold up in the contract appears to be poverty level wages for the part timers, or at least that’s the narrative that they are spinning. All in an effort to gain public support, ingenious.

 

[DELACROIX]

Misunderstood. Fat Freddy is Fred S. You might have heard of the guy, You know " Mr. Fedex Family",

He’s a minor player compared to UPS…and the Teamsters…

I believe he retired…

Would you guys organize if given the opportunity?

 

[bacha29]

He’s a minor player compared to UPS…and the Teamsters…

I believe he retired…

Would you guys organize if given the opportunity?

When Fat Freddy bought out RPS using a stock only purchase he poured an ocean of money into it making it a lot bigger than some might realize. And he's still the largest shareholder but not by much.

While currently undergoing consolidation of operating units Fedex is still a holding company. Express is under the RLA. Ground's operating authority is under NLRA but farmed out to contractors. Freight is under NLRA has to this point been able to fight off efforts by the Teamsters to organize.

 

[Steamer]

Never met anyone who doesnt think we deserve what we make. Most people over 40 years old know how much we make and have no qualms with it because they know not everyone can do the job. If we make $42 an hour with just a GED why don't more people sign up and become a top rate driver if it is that easy?

Most law enforcement and county workers in NY and CA make almost if not just as much as a top rate UPS driver and a large majority of people don't care because they don't want to do the job.

People are lazy. We as driver see it everyday. Call tags left out at the front door not taped up, customers sitting at the front door just staring at you walking towards them with a box dumbfounded instead of meeting you halfway.

Yes this. Some of the media is hyping the $42 an hour. They need to know that it takes 5 years to get to that rate. Imagine making $21 an hour for the same work if not more since most new people will get the crap routes more often than an 5 year driver that has the seniority for an easier route which still isn't easy. It's a rough road to get to top rate. Let alone the inside guys making 1/3 of that and only getting 4 hours a day. The public has no idea. The media twist isn't helping either.

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

Answer this question. Just exactly how long do you think you could completely lock down the UPS network?
How many no paycheck weeks do you think will occur until the ranks start to break?
And besides, a UPS strike will not impact the other carriers network in any fashion. They'll just get awfully busy and given that most if not all are nonunion they will have a lot of flexibility.

Apparently you weren't alive during the '97 strike...