“The Body of Christ” with Integrity (On Topic Only”

[BrownFlush]

Any "relationship" requires those involved to be in agreement with what defines the "relationship ". God's "relationship" with anyone is defined by His terms. The only way one can know what He wants is found in His Word. I'll give you a hint. It has to do with you submitting to His will, not yours.

 

[Integrity]

I am a member of a spiritual fellowship that understands prayer and meditation are our principal means of conscious contact with God.

We regularly seek through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understand Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.

 

[BrownFlush]

I am a member of a spiritual fellowship that understands prayer and meditation are our principal means of conscious contact with God.

Well now... isn’t that special.

So far in your comments the only spiritual fellowship you have shown is the spirit of unbelief.

praying only for knowledge of His will

How to know God’s will has been shown to you and you constantly reject that.
You know, “you’re a trip “ or “ I don’t believe that” or “ I don’t want to study what the chapter actually says and put verses in their context “.

the power to carry that out.

You might want to hit this one a little harder. You’ve had the power. It’s in your power of choice. So far, your comments reveal you have given all that power to reject what God actually says.

Sweet Dreams

 

[floridays]

Before I answer the pending questions you have
thrown out , I think a response from you is in order to my comments to the previous questions. Since time was taken to give you a response, you owe a response to what I said.
You posted “For , equals “because of “the remission of sins.With nothing to prove your statement...
I posted this


For the sake of discussion and to avoid confusing anyone, let’s discuss and finish one question at a time. It is also a huge waste of everyone’s time if nothing is decided.
So... what is your response to this? Do you have anything to offer that would counter what I said ?
Is “for “ “ because of “ or Is “for “ “for”?

It is because of, the shedding of blood washes sin away for those that trust God, not water.

Ephesians 4:5 is clear, dogmatic
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 1 26-35
26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Ephesians 4:5

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Precise, dogmatic language,


Romans 3: 4-28
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

 

[BrownFlush]

It is because of, the shedding of blood washes sin away for those that trust God, not water.

Ephesians 4:5 is clear, dogmatic
One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

John 1 26-35
26John answered them, saying, I baptize with water: but there standeth one among you, whom ye know not;

27He it is, who coming after me is preferred before me, whose shoe's latchet I am not worthy to unloose.

28These things were done in Bethabara beyond Jordan, where John was baptizing.

29The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

30This is he of whom I said, After me cometh a man which is preferred before me: for he was before me.

31And I knew him not: but that he should be made manifest to Israel, therefore am I come baptizing with water.

32And John bare record, saying, I saw the Spirit descending from heaven like a dove, and it abode upon him.

33And I knew him not: but he that sent me to baptize with water, the same said unto me, Upon whom thou shalt see the Spirit descending, and remaining on him, the same is he which baptizeth with the Holy Ghost.

34And I saw, and bare record that this is the Son of God.

Ephesians 4:5

One Lord, one faith, one baptism,

Precise, dogmatic language,


Romans 3: 4-28
God forbid: yea, let God be true, but every man a liar; as it is written, That thou mightest be justified in thy sayings, and mightest overcome when thou art judged.

5But if our unrighteousness commend the righteousness of God, what shall we say? Is God unrighteous who taketh vengeance? (I speak as a man)

6God forbid: for then how shall God judge the world?

7For if the truth of God hath more abounded through my lie unto his glory; why yet am I also judged as a sinner?

8And not rather, (as we be slanderously reported, and as some affirm that we say,) Let us do evil, that good may come? whose damnation is just.

9What then? are we better than they? No, in no wise: for we have before proved both Jews and Gentiles, that they are all under sin;

10As it is written, There is none righteous, no, not one:

11There is none that understandeth, there is none that seeketh after God.

12They are all gone out of the way, they are together become unprofitable; there is none that doeth good, no, not one.

13Their throat is an open sepulchre; with their tongues they have used deceit; the poison of asps is under their lips:

14Whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness:

15Their feet are swift to shed blood:

16Destruction and misery are in their ways:

17And the way of peace have they not known:

18There is no fear of God before their eyes.

19Now we know that what things soever the law saith, it saith to them who are under the law: that every mouth may be stopped, and all the world may become guilty before God.

20Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.

21But now the righteousness of God without the law is manifested, being witnessed by the law and the prophets;

22Even the righteousness of God which is by faith of Jesus Christ unto all and upon all them that believe: for there is no difference:

23For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

24Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:

25Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;

26To declare, I say, at this time his righteousness: that he might be just, and the justifier of him which believeth in Jesus.

27Where is boasting then? It is excluded. By what law? of works? Nay: but by the law of faith.

28Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.

You can bold print every word in scripture ( looks like you almost did it here) but if you are a not a worker who correctly handles the word of truth “ - 2 Tim. 2:15 you’re wasting your time.

I affirm you are not handling the truth about the subject of the Holy Spirit, salvation, baptism, etc. Be glad to openly address this and any subject. with you,as I have said to has well to @Integrity ( he rejects an open and honest discussion)

Like I said to you in my comment that you did not address but chose instead to post half the entire Bible instead of responding to what I had written about the Greek word “ eis” “for “

After what I said about the word “for “in Acts 2:38 New Testament was originally written in the Greek language, so certain words, that we question, we have go back to the original language. You can study the usage of the same word

"Men and Brethren, what shall we do?' "And Peter said unto them, Repent ye, and be baptized everyone of you in the name of Jesus Christ into the remission of your sins; and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38, A.S.V.). "Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost" (K.J.V.).
The New Testament was originally written in the Greek language, so to know for certain what the apostles or Christ meant when they used certain words, sometimes we have to go back to the original language itself. You can study the usage of the same word in other passages of the New Testament, or you can look in a Greek lexicon for the meaning.

"for." Does "for" mean "because of" or does it mean "in order to?" If "for" means "because of," then it means that we are to be baptized because we have been saved. If "for" means, "in order to," then it means that we are to be baptized in order to be saved. There is no other alternative.

The English word "for" in this passage comes from a Greek preposition," eis." Every scholar , all of them, say that "eis" never looks backward but, always forward; that is, it is never rendered "because of" or on "account of" in all the New Testament, and it never had that meaning in any New Testament passage-not one"
I have quotations of this passage, Acts 2:38, from twenty-eight separate translations, and not one of them renders the expression "for the remission of sins" as "because of the remission of sins," or "on account of the remission of sins.
There is no reputable Greek scholar that renders eis "because of" or "on account of."
There are words in the Greek language that mean "because of," or "on account," but the one used in Acts 2:38, eis, always means "in order to, or unto."
So then, Peter was telling these Jews to repent and be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ in order to receive the remission of sins.


In Rom. 10:10, when Paul said, "for with the heart man believeth unto righteousness, and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation," Paul states that man "believes unto righteousness," and "confesses unto salvation." The same preposition translated "for" in Acts 2:38 is here used. Does it mean "because of" or "in order to" here?
Just a guess, but I bet you believe in order to righteousness, and not because of righteousness, and that you confess in order to be saved, and not because you are saved.
There are other instances in which this word is used, and in every single time its used, it means that repentance, confession or baptism is unto the remission of sins, or in order to receive the remission of sins.

Think about it, whatever repentance is for, baptism is for in Acts 2:38
You never heard anyone say that you were to repent because you have been saved. You repent in order to be saved.
Baptism and repentance are for the same purpose, and both are in order to be saved.
Can you be saved without repenting? Nope. And neither can you be saved without baptism. One cannot be saved without baptism, for both repentance and baptism are "for the remission of sins."

 

[BrownFlush]

@floridays
Please focus on the above response.
Will go to the next of many questions you have posted after we are clear where you are here.

Do you still believe that when Peter said “for” that” Peter said “because of” not “for”?
YES or No?

 

[floridays]

@floridays
Please focus on the above response.
Will go to the next of many questions you have posted after we are clear where you are here.

Do you still believe that when Peter said “for” that” Peter said “because of” not “for”?
YES or No?

Enjoy talking to yourself, I just shook the dust off my feet.

 

[BrownFlush]

Enjoy talking to yourself, I just shook the dust off my feet.

Not enough backbone to answer a ye or no question.
For someone who said “ let the games begin “ you sure bowed out in record time.
If I couldn’t or wouldn’t defend what I believed, I wouldn’t believe it. But, that’s just me.

Sweet Dreams.
The wide way is easy and many are there in.

 

[Jones]

I will pray for you with love in my heart.

 

[Integrity]

I will pray for you with love in my heart.

Thanks!

 

[floridays]

Not enough backbone to answer a ye or no question.
For someone who said “ let the games begin “ you sure bowed out in record time.
If I couldn’t or wouldn’t defend what I believed, I wouldn’t believe it. But, that’s just me.

Sweet Dreams.
The wide way is easy and many are there in.

Do me a favor, if you are gonna quote me, at least quote my words, don't make them up and ignore context.

I want you to think and search the scriptures, in thinking your answer still will not come without the Holy Spirit revealing truth to you.

I'm not miserable, I'm redeemed, by the blood of the Lamb, God's Lamb crucified for me, personally. His name is Jesus.
begin,
Let your games begin, my faith, my trust resides only in the shed blood of Jesus Christ, for me and how God views it.

Nothing more, nothing less.

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I'm not your wife, you don't brow beat me.

 

[Integrity]

Why God Is Sending Christians Straight to Hell

 

[BrownFlush]

Do me a favor, if you are gonna quote me, at least quote my words, don't make them up and ignore context.



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If you care to refresh yourself.

I'm not your wife, you don't brow beat me.

Your the king of ignoring context.
Nothing worse than a coward who is a deflector when you post passed comments that only prove it.
You’re embarrassing yourself.
Just bow out. At least @Integrity admitted he had nothing.
You’re so right though, you’re not my wife. She stands up for what she believes in.
Or “ let the games begin “

@floridays
Please focus on the above response.
Will go to the next of many questions you have posted after we are clear where you are here.

Do you still believe that when Peter said “for” that” Peter said “because of” not “for”?
YES or No?

Yes or No.
Or

Enjoy talking to yourself,

 

[Integrity]

 

[floridays]

@floridays
Please focus on the above response.
Will go to the next of many questions you have posted after we are clear where you are here.

Do you still believe that when Peter said “for” that” Peter said “because of” not “for”?
YES or No?

Yes, I do.

 

[BrownFlush]

Yes, I do.

So you affirm the English word for, translated from the the Greek word eis, is "because of " and not "for."
OK

Just for the record, the preposition used for "on account of" or "because of" is the Greek word "dia". It is no where to be found in the text we are discussing.
The Greek word in the original manuscript in Acts 2:38 is "eis" , "for", "in order to"

 

[BrownFlush]

What was John's baptism?

The Scripture says:
1)John the Baptist preached only to Jews, and John baptized only Jews. We read that all of John's ministry was done only in a land that was inhabited by Jews (Matt. 3:5-6)
2) The subjects of John's baptism were not required to have faith in Jesus (Matt. 3:5-12) . John baptized many Jews before Jesus was even manifested as the Christ.
3) John's baptism is not the baptism that Jesus commissioned ( this baptism could only be participated in only happen after the Lord's death and resurrection) in Mk. 16:15-16.The gospel was to be preached to "all the world" and to "every creature"-not just to the Jews alone( Matt. 28:18-20). His blood had not been shed during John's ministry.
Faith in Jesus is a pre-requisite to Bible baptism (Mk. 16:16). The baptism of John was never meant for this Christian dispensation (after the cross). This can be seen in the events of Acts 18 and 19. Apollos was preaching and practicing the baptism of John until Aquila and Priscilla "expounded unto him the way of God more perfectly" (Acts 18:24-28). The Ephesians had obeyed the baptism of John, but because this was insufficient for the gospel dispensation, Paul re-baptized them scripturally (Acts 19:1-5).
No one alive today are subjects of John's baptism.
4)John’s baptism has to be seen in the context of his overall mission-preparing men for the coming of Christ and His kingdom. People repented, turned to God, and were baptized for the remission of their sins because of their faith in John’s teaching that the kingdom was coming soon and because of their desire to be a part of that kingdom.
5) Mark 1:4 "John appeared, baptizing in the wilderness and proclaiming a baptism of repentance for the forgiveness of sins."
Baptism has always been for (eis) the remission of sins.
6) John also was baptizing at Aenon near Salim, because water was plentiful there, and people were coming and being baptized.
John's baptism required water. Baptism means immersion . Not sprinkling.
7) Infants do not have the ability to repent. They were not candidates for John's baptism.
8) John was prophesied in Isa. 40 that he would prepare a way. John fulfilled the prophecy of Isaiah: “The voice of him that crieth in the wilderness, Prepare ye the way of the Lord, make straight in the desert a highway for out God. Every valley shall be exalted, and every mountain and hill shall be made low: and the crooked shall be made straight, and the rough places plain” (Isa. 40:3-4).
Isaiah’s language found a figurative application in John the Baptist, as he prepared the hearts of men for the coming of Christ. It was his task to “make ready a people prepared for the Lord” (Lk. 1:17).
“The voice of one crying in the wilderness:‘Prepare the way of the Lord ,and make his paths straight.( Luke 3:4)
John preached, “Repent yet for the kingdom of heaven is at hand” (Matt. 3:2). Because of the prophecies contained in the Old Testament scriptures, the Jews to who John preached had long anticipated a mighty kingdom, to be established by the Christ (“anointed one”) of prophecy.
The Christ for who they had waited would soon come and establish that kingdom, and in order to prepare the people for His coming and the establishment of His reign, John announced that the time was at hand (near).
He called upon men to repent; otherwise men would not be prepared for the kingdom of Christ.

Any rebuttal about what has been said here? Any questions about John's baptism? Be glad to discuss anything here about what you asked when you asked...

What was John's baptism?

If not tomorrow will go to your next question...

Who did he baptize?

 

[Integrity]

What is childlike faith? (Matthew 18:3; Mark 10:14; Luke 18:17)

 

[What'dyabringmetoday???]

What is childlike faith? (Matthew 18:3; Mark 10:14; Luke 18:17)

I faithfully act childlike on the weekend. As a matter of fact- the weekend is here. Yay.

 

[BrownFlush]

What is childlike faith? (Matthew 18:3; Mark 10:14; Luke 18:17)

“ When I was a child, I spoke like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man , I put away childish things.” - 1 Cor. 13: 11