LagunaBrown
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Lol. No. What will happen is the existing two tier driver will become a full time 22.4. Thus the wait stays the same and they are jumping progression and gaining progression credits.
2018 YES vote : Why does the IBT BACK THIS ?
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LagunaBrown
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Not true I have always said a vote depends on each regions supplements and riders. You vote no guys tell everyone to vote no in total bigot fashion. Big difference.
Bubblehead
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No, you hear what you want to hear and see what you want see.
Many of us are saying that it shouldn't be that way, that the Master should effect us all the same and "autonomy" be damned....that we shouldn't be voting on a supposed "National Master" under a plethora of unparalleled criteria.
....also with "it is what it is" in play, that we must VOTE NO on our supplements until we are satisfied with the Master (or at least until we are confident that the master will pass).
How else can anyone be sure their supplement has addressed the weaknesses of Master?
The "big difference" that really doesn't need to be pointed out....again (but I will for personal satisfaction), is that your hollow, self-absorbed, solo sortie mission here has fallen mostly on deaf ears and continues to be nearly unilaterally rebuked.
....but by all means, carry on.
LagunaBrown
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Wow. Well the world needs dreamers like you. Sounds good and all but really you just desperately want the National to get voted down regardless of what it means to us.
There is a reason you lost your Local elections 3 times. You couldn’t win with your peers and now you are here on the internet trying to sell your snake oil to the west. No thank buddy. If your membership won’t take your BS why would I?
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silenze
Lunch is the best part of the day
They will become 22.4 instead of rpcd.
Just how many 2 tier drivers do you have? The only way it would make sense to vote for this is if it were currently 25% of your workforce.
LagunaBrown
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Do you guys even listen to what I say? It’s funny you all complain that I say the same thing over and over yet dont comprehend
. I have explained this so many times.They will only hire as many 22.4’s as they need for Saturday delivery if they hired more they would have to pay the extras their guaranteed 8 on Saturday. So they will replace most of our current two tier drivers 10% tops. They will not hire 25% if they hired 25% like you say then they would have more cars on road and routes in. Any new routes in 3 out of 5 days a week become permanently bid routes to RPCD’s and they would be forced to hire more RPCD’s. Unless you actually read or know the contract how would you guys know something like that right? Most of you guys are amateurs giving bad advice. SMH
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silenze
Lunch is the best part of the day
You have never posted any contract language proving any of your talking points. Where is this 3 in 5 route language?Do you guys even listen to what I say? It’s funny you all complain that I say the same thing over and over yet dont comprehend
They will only hire as many 22.4’s as they need for Saturday delivery if they hired more they would have to pay the extras their guaranteed 8 on Saturday. So they will replace most of our current two tier drivers 10% tops. They will not hire 25% if they hired 25% like you say then they would have more cars on road and routes in. Any new routes in 3 out of 5 days a week become permanently bid routes to RPCD’s and they would be forced to hire more RPCD’s. Unless you actually read or know the contract how would you guys know something like that right? Most of you guys are amateurs giving bad advice. SMH
542thruNthru
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Ups doesn't care about intent. Only how can we twist the language to benefit ups more and still stay within the contract. Intent is nice but why not strengthen the language and make it definite instead.
LagunaBrown
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Thx for saving me the time on that.
LagunaBrown
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No UPS does not care about intent that’s what grievance are for.
Bubblehead
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What is it about "the west" that justifies this type of "autonomy", while leaving the rest of the country behind???
Bubblehead
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You say this, all the while not being able to enforce the temporary cover driver language that is presently in place???Do you guys even listen to what I say? It’s funny you all complain that I say the same thing over and over yet dont comprehend
They will only hire as many 22.4’s as they need for Saturday delivery if they hired more they would have to pay the extras their guaranteed 8 on Saturday. So they will replace most of our current two tier drivers 10% tops. They will not hire 25% if they hired 25% like you say then they would have more cars on road and routes in. Any new routes in 3 out of 5 days a week become permanently bid routes to RPCD’s and they would be forced to hire more RPCD’s. Unless you actually read or know the contract how would you guys know something like that right? Most of you guys are amateurs giving bad advice. SMH
....yet somehow I'm the "snake oil salesmen"???
Who are you trying to kid???
SMH
silenze
Lunch is the best part of the day
If the language is as strong as you make it out to be you wouldn't have a problem with your current 2 tier drivers and be begging for 22.4
542thruNthru
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Don't know I don't negotiate the contracts.
I have been told we make UPS a ton of money out here. Maybe that's why we can negotiate better language.
542thruNthru
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He wants 22.4s because it strengthens our pensions and H&W.
Bubblehead
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So would additional package car drivers and 22.3 employees as provided for in the present contract???
You aren't drinking his Kool-Aid, are you???
542thruNthru
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No I understand what you mean. I'm not drinking anyone's kool-aid. He knows cover drivers will stay if this contract is voted down. He doesn't want to lose their FT contributions to Pension and H&W.
Yes they could hire more FT drivers and keep Cover Drivers but unless they get rid of Cover Drivers and replace them with FT it won't have as big a impact on Pension and H&W as 22.4s.
So that's what he wants.
Bubblehead
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Was the "cover driver" language eliminated in your proposed supplement?
