22.4 Lay-off—Need some understanding

[BigUnionGuy]

I've donated a lot of time passing out info and talking to members at many buildings myself. It does get frustrating how many people do not care. It always amazes me how many members are uninformed and couldn't care less. Even FTers.

You would be surprised (or maybe you would not) how many members are all

magically getting cell phone calls.... when they see the Union at the entrance.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

The union will never allow a minority of the membership to overrule them, or to dictate to them what a contract should be, or should not be.

If they're going to be overruled, it's going to be by the majority of the membership, not just a majority of the voting membership.

And they really don't even want this to happen, but they have no choice. It used to be that we needed a two-thirds majority to turn a contract down.

Now, at least we have a straight majority vote, except that the union kept in a safe guard that only the majority rules if more than half the membership voted.

That is so sad. The members are the union. Or at least that’s what we are told every time anyone complains. Those who actually take the time to vote should be counted regardless of how many do not vote. If they cannot support the members that are active, regardless of how many there are, then they do not need to be in their positions. The rule sounds more like a cop out than a valid reason to pass a no vote as a yes.

 

[PT Car Washer]

You would be surprised (or maybe you would not) how many members are all

magically getting cell phone calls.... when they see the Union at the entrance.

Who is calling who? I don't understand your meaning here.

 

[bumped]

Who is calling who? I don't understand your meaning here.

I think he's trying to say the workers walking into the building get a fake phone call when approaching the security area where the Union leaders are to avoid talking to the Union leaders.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I think he's trying to say the workers walking into the building get a fake phone call when approaching the security area where the Union leaders are to avoid talking to the Union leaders.

We have a winner.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

If they cannot support the members that are active, regardless of how many there are, then they do not need to be in their positions.

Every 3 years, the members have the opportunity to make Local changes.

All they have to do is vote in their Local election.


Oh wait....

 

[PT Car Washer]

I think he's trying to say the workers walking into the building get a fake phone call when approaching the security area where the Union leaders are to avoid talking to the Union leaders.

Thanks. Went right over my head.

 

[Mugarolla]

If they cannot support the members that are active, regardless of how many there are, then they do not need to be in their positions.

They support the members that are active, but they also support the members that are not active, or at least they think they are. They keep the non voting membership in mind at contract time, along with the voting membership. Allowing a minority to dictate the contract may not necessarily be a good thing, just because some refuse to vote.

The rule sounds more like a cop out than a valid reason to pass a no vote as a yes.

They didn't pass a no vote as a yes. The Union recommended the contract and there were not enough votes to turn it down, or to override the Union.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Every 3 years, the members have the opportunity to make Local changes.

All they have to do is vote in their Local election.


Oh wait....

Apparently it wouldn’t matter. I’ve already been told the union would never allow the change I mentioned.

They support the members that are active, but they also support the members that are not active, or at least they think they are. They keep the non voting membership in mind at contract time, along with the voting membership. Allowing a minority to dictate the contract may not necessarily be a good thing, just because some refuse to vote.

Screw the non voters. They should have no bearing on the results. It’s better to ignore their inaction and force them to vote later if they don’t like the results than to ignore the actual voters instead. The latter makes about as much since as a football bat.

They didn't pass a no vote as a yes. The Union recommended the contract and there were not enough votes to turn it down, or to override the Union.

They passed a NO as a yes. Yes, we all understand that they are, conveniently, not required to abide by the results due to their silly (or downright crazy) rule set forth in 1991. But logic says that choosing non voters over voters is counterproductive. Those MFs will likely never vote again. Why would they? The current system only weakens the union even more.

 

[Mugarolla]

their silly (or downright crazy) rule set forth in 1991.

You do rralize that before this rule, we needed a 2/3 majority to turn down a contract, no matter how many voted?

 

[Boywondr]

Stewards should make drivers and preloaders show proof they voted...hold everyone accountable or single them out.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

You do rralize that before this rule, we needed a 2/3 majority to turn down a contract, no matter how many voted?

Yes. That was even crazier. I always reference 1991 because I don’t know what year that nonsense was implemented.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

How do we get more people to vote? You can't possibly make it any easier.

Maybe they can disguise the link as a fantasy football signup page?

 

[BigUnionGuy]

Yes. That was even crazier. I always reference 1991 because I don’t know what year that nonsense was implemented.

Prior to 1987, the 2/3-to-reject was absolute. No matter how many Teamsters voted, it took two-thirds to reject a contract which the IBT leaders deemed a “final offer.”


Winning Majority Rule on Contracts

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Maybe they can disguise the link as a fantasy football signup page?

Porn!!

 

[Indecisi0n]

Lay offs here as well but they are still letting Amazon work our customer counter. It's BS.

 

[Overpaid Union Thug]

Porn!!

Sadly.....I think fantasy football will draw more interest. Instead of fantasy midget porn.

 

[22.34life]

There is no such thing as a layoff for a 22.4.the 22.4 can work on the package car or in the building.the 22.4 makes the same rate of pay regardless of his job assignment.

 

[22.34life]

What was the % of members in your Local that voted ?

percentage of votes are horrible this is true,probably in most locals but that doesn't change the fact that this 22.4 language is what the negotiating committee considered to be acceptable.