Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by 542thruNthru, Nov 16, 2018.
Sorry I don’t have an answer
I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???
It’s amount of 22.4s that’s allowed vs very few 22.3s per building.
I'm going to be looking into this particular section. It creates a conflict of interest, gives the membership no means for holding leadership accountable, negates the entire purpose of a constitution.
@DriveInDriveOut and I hashed this out. If you look at subsection (b) it pretty clearly lays out the steps for renegotiating after a contract is voted down by a majority of voters, "final offer" or not.
We've discussed this since August.
You realize that:
22.3 is a way for PTers to go FT without having to drive. The 22.4 "combo" job, who will almost never see the inside of a building since it is cheaper to have them deliver than a top rate driver, now count towards the creation of FT jobs promised in the contract. It makes it a lot tougher to get FT if driving isn't an option for some people. Never mind the other downfalls of 22.4 that have been beaten to death the last few months here. Quick search here will give you all of those answers if you want to look them up.
What do you mean "final offers" or not?
Yes, subsection b) is for offers and subsection d) is for final offers.
Black and white.
The issue is whether it was a final offer or not.
Depends, who is paying for it?
....and who decides whether it's a "final offer", or not???
We never had full-time jobs, or very few, without driving in the past.
And not every center has 22.3 jobs, so I really am not concerned about these part-timers that want a full-time job but don't want to drive.
Someone who can't drive is a different story, but there aren't many of those.
I should say the National Negotiating Committee, per the IBT Constitution, but ultimately, Hoffa.
I edited the previous post that you agreed to.
Still a "winner".
Once upon a time, we never had part-time workers either????
Now it's 65%...
We should be very concerned with maintaining and expanding the 22.3 worker ranks at UPS.
After all, we all know many co-workers who were able to use these positions to make it to retirement.
Who knows, the next one could be you....or me???
Again you’re either against “two-tier” or you’re for it?!?! They both fit the definition of what you call “two-tier”! Same job, less pay.
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