705 and 710 forced to accept contract.

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by 542thruNthru, Nov 16, 2018.

  1. BuckyBadger

    BuckyBadger Member

    Anyone?
     
  2. babboo25

    babboo25 Well-Known Member

    Thank you
     
  3. babboo25

    babboo25 Well-Known Member

    Sorry I don’t have an answer
     
  4. EasyTrucker

    EasyTrucker Active Member

    I’m still confused why people want 22.3 two-tier jobs, but hate 22.4 two-tier jobs???
     
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  5. babboo25

    babboo25 Well-Known Member

    It’s amount of 22.4s that’s allowed vs very few 22.3s per building.
     
  6. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    I'm going to be looking into this particular section. It creates a conflict of interest, gives the membership no means for holding leadership accountable, negates the entire purpose of a constitution.
     
  7. 2033

    2033 Well-Known Member

    @DriveInDriveOut and I hashed this out. If you look at subsection (b) it pretty clearly lays out the steps for renegotiating after a contract is voted down by a majority of voters, "final offer" or not.
     
  8. burrheadd

    burrheadd Esquire

    Moped?
     
  9. Sickofit

    Sickofit watching the show

    We've discussed this since August.
    You realize that:
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  10. Sickofit

    Sickofit watching the show

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  11. JustDeliverIt

    JustDeliverIt Active Member

    22.3 is a way for PTers to go FT without having to drive. The 22.4 "combo" job, who will almost never see the inside of a building since it is cheaper to have them deliver than a top rate driver, now count towards the creation of FT jobs promised in the contract. It makes it a lot tougher to get FT if driving isn't an option for some people. Never mind the other downfalls of 22.4 that have been beaten to death the last few months here. Quick search here will give you all of those answers if you want to look them up.
     
  12. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    What do you mean "final offers" or not?

    Yes, subsection b) is for offers and subsection d) is for final offers.

    Black and white.

    The issue is whether it was a final offer or not.
     
  13. DriveInDriveOut

    DriveInDriveOut This Is The Last Stop

    Depends, who is paying for it?
     
  14. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    ....and who decides whether it's a "final offer", or not???
     
  15. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    We never had full-time jobs, or very few, without driving in the past.

    And not every center has 22.3 jobs, so I really am not concerned about these part-timers that want a full-time job but don't want to drive.

    Someone who can't drive is a different story, but there aren't many of those.
     
  16. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    Hoffa.

    I should say the National Negotiating Committee, per the IBT Constitution, but ultimately, Hoffa.
     
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  17. Mugarolla

    Mugarolla Light 'em up!

    I edited the previous post that you agreed to.
     
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  18. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Still a "winner".
     
  19. Bubblehead

    Bubblehead My Senior Picture

    Once upon a time, we never had part-time workers either????
    Now it's 65%...

    We should be very concerned with maintaining and expanding the 22.3 worker ranks at UPS.
    After all, we all know many co-workers who were able to use these positions to make it to retirement.

    Who knows, the next one could be you....or me???
     
  20. EasyTrucker

    EasyTrucker Active Member

    Again you’re either against “two-tier” or you’re for it?!?! They both fit the definition of what you call “two-tier”! Same job, less pay.