A non vote is a Yes vote?

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by BrownSkid, Jul 18, 2018.

  1. BrownSkid

    BrownSkid LeBrown Shames

    Is this true? I find it preposterous, but so is this contract preceded with the brownout. All the while Wall St. reporting how great this is for the Company. Obviously not great for the employees.

    I happened to ask my unloader today if he has read the contract... to my dismay, had no clue. Please inform your fellow teamsters.
     
  2. no_map_needed

    no_map_needed Knowledge is key, Experience is power.

    In a way yes. If we don't get over 50% turnout on the votes the union can force the contract as is. So yes inform your fellow teamsters especially the part timers because even if every full timer votes we won't break the barrier.
     
  3. DOK

    DOK Well-Known Member

    Same here about informing my loader, the responses back are “well we’re getting a raise right?” Or “do we get to vote on this?”
     
  4. just chillin'

    just chillin' Rest in peace wooba

    not really. from my understanding, if less than 50% total turnout than you need a 66% or 2/3 to vote no
     
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  5. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    Where does it say this?
     
  6. just chillin'

    just chillin' Rest in peace wooba

    Bubbleheads thread here

    Article 12 - Section 2(d) reads:

    "Results of ratification or rejection
    votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
    by all involved voting members on a cumulative
    basis of all votes cast as follows:

    (1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
    cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
    those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
    in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
    of those voting against acceptance of the final
    offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
    vote being necessary for such strike
    authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
    in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.

    (2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid
    ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
    shall be required to reject such final offer and to
    authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
    to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
    herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
    to accept such final offer or such additional
    provisions as can be negotiated by it."
     
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  7. Indecisi0n

    Indecisi0n Well-Known Member

    Vote for what?
     
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  8. trickpony1

    trickpony1 Well-Known Member

    Post #6-

    Are the ballots counted by a third disinterested party or by IBT?
    "fox guarding the henhouse".

    It seems if IBT really wanted the contract to pass they could make some ballots "disappear".
     
  9. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    This covers rejection ... not approval.
     
  10. just chillin'

    just chillin' Rest in peace wooba

    ummm.....Results of ratification or rejection. ratification = approval
     
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  11. Gimme Danger

    Gimme Danger Active Member

    The new electronic balloting is by a third party. There is an established legal right for observers to view the balloting.
     
  12. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Am I missing something?

    "The failure of such membership
    to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
    herein provided shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer or such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it."
     
  13. just chillin'

    just chillin' Rest in peace wooba

     
  14. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    This is a great contract for Part timers.
    It’s time to pay back those full timers for screwing over the part timers for 35+ years.
     
  15. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Exactly ... if members can’t get to 67% rejection then the Negotiation Committee decides which means it is accepted.

    Sort of like the Electoral College put Trump in over Hillary even though she got more votes.


    Democracy my ass!
     
  16. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Not in my dictionary
     
  17. clean hairy

    clean hairy Well-Known Member

    The yes votes go to the inbox, and the no votes go to the spam folder which no one ever checks!
    Of course, some no voteswill slip through to the inbox to make things intersting.....
     
  18. just chillin'

    just chillin' Rest in peace wooba

    rat·i·fi·ca·tion
    ˌradəfəˈkāSH(ə)n/
    noun
    noun: ratification; plural noun: ratifications
    the action of signing or giving formal consent to a treaty, contract, or agreement, making it officially valid.

    i just had too :peaceful:
     
  19. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    It’s not in my dictionary!
     
  20. Old Man Jingles

    Old Man Jingles Rat out of a cage

    Makes no difference... a non-vote is a yes vote.