A non vote is a Yes vote?

[BrownSkid]

Is this true? I find it preposterous, but so is this contract preceded with the brownout. All the while Wall St. reporting how great this is for the Company. Obviously not great for the employees.

I happened to ask my unloader today if he has read the contract... to my dismay, had no clue. Please inform your fellow teamsters.

 

[no_map_needed]

In a way yes. If we don't get over 50% turnout on the votes the union can force the contract as is. So yes inform your fellow teamsters especially the part timers because even if every full timer votes we won't break the barrier.

 

[DOK]

Is this true? I find it preposterous, but so is this contract preceded with the brownout. All the while Wall St. reporting how great this is for the Company. Obviously not great for the employees.

I happened to ask my unloader today if he has read the contract... to my dismay, had no clue. Please inform your fellow teamsters.

Same here about informing my loader, the responses back are “well we’re getting a raise right?” Or “do we get to vote on this?”

 

[just chillin']

In a way yes. If we don't get over 50% turnout on the votes the union can force the contract as is. So yes inform your fellow teamsters especially the part timers because even if every full timer votes we won't break the barrier.

not really. from my understanding, if less than 50% total turnout than you need a 66% or 2/3 to vote no

 

[trickpony1]

not really. from my understanding, if less than 50% total turnout than you need a 66% or 2/3 to vote no

Where does it say this?

 

[just chillin']

Where does it say this?

Bubbleheads thread here

Article 12 - Section 2(d) reads:

"Results of ratification or rejection
votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
by all involved voting members on a cumulative
basis of all votes cast as follows:

(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
of those voting against acceptance of the final
offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
vote being necessary for such strike
authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.

(2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid
ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
shall be required to reject such final offer and to
authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
to accept such final offer or such additional
provisions as can be negotiated by it."

 

[Indecisi0n]

Is this true? I find it preposterous, but so is this contract preceded with the brownout. All the while Wall St. reporting how great this is for the Company. Obviously not great for the employees.

I happened to ask my unloader today if he has read the contract... to my dismay, had no clue. Please inform your fellow teamsters.

Vote for what?

 

[trickpony1]

Post #6-

Are the ballots counted by a third disinterested party or by IBT?
"fox guarding the henhouse".

It seems if IBT really wanted the contract to pass they could make some ballots "disappear".

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Bubbleheads thread here

Article 12 - Section 2(d) reads:

"Results of ratification or rejection
votes with respect to master agreements shall be determined
by all involved voting members on a cumulative
basis of all votes cast as follows:

(1) If at least one half of the members eligible to vote
cast valid ballots then a cumulative majority of
those voting in favor of the final offer shall result
in acceptance of such offer; and a cumulative majority
of those voting against acceptance of the final
offer shall authorize a strike without any additional
vote being necessary for such strike
authorization. A tie vote shall be resolved as provided
in Section 1(b)(l) of this Article.

(2) If less than half of the eligible members cast valid
ballots, then a two-thirds (2/3) vote of those voting
shall be required to reject such final offer and to
authorize a strike. The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee
to accept such final offer or such additional
provisions as can be negotiated by it."

This covers rejection ... not approval.

 

[just chillin']

This covers rejection ... not approval.

ummm.....Results of ratification or rejection. ratification = approval

 

[Gimme Danger]

Post #6-

Are the ballots counted by a third disinterested party or by IBT?
"fox guarding the henhouse".

It seems if IBT really wanted the contract to pass they could make some ballots "disappear".

The new electronic balloting is by a third party. There is an established legal right for observers to view the balloting.

 

[Box Ox]

This covers rejection ... not approval.

Am I missing something?

"The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer or such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it."

 

[just chillin']

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Is this true? I find it preposterous, but so is this contract ...

I happened to ask my unloader today if he has read the contract... to my dismay, had no clue. Please inform your fellow teamsters.

This is a great contract for Part timers.
It’s time to pay back those full timers for screwing over the part timers for 35+ years.

 

[Old Man Jingles]

Am I missing something?

"The failure of such membership
to reject the final offer and to authorize a strike as
herein provided shall require the negotiating committee to accept such final offer or such additional provisions as can be negotiated by it."

Exactly ... if members can’t get to 67% rejection then the Negotiation Committee decides which means it is accepted.

Sort of like the Electoral College put Trump in over Hillary even though she got more votes.


Democracy my ass!

 

[Old Man Jingles]

ummm.....Results of ratification or rejection. ratification = approval

Not in my dictionary

 

[clean hairy]

The yes votes go to the inbox, and the no votes go to the spam folder which no one ever checks!
Of course, some no voteswill slip through to the inbox to make things intersting.....

 

[just chillin']

Not in my dictionary

rat·i·fi·ca·tion
ˌradəfəˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: ratification; plural noun: ratifications
the action of signing or giving formal consent to a treaty, contract, or agreement, making it officially valid.

i just had too

 

[Old Man Jingles]

rat·i·fi·ca·tion
ˌradəfəˈkāSH(ə)n/
noun
noun: ratification; plural noun: ratifications
the action of signing or giving formal consent to a treaty, contract, or agreement, making it officially valid.

i just had too

It’s not in my dictionary!

 

[Old Man Jingles]

The yes votes go to the inbox, and the no votes go to the spam folder which no one ever checks!
Of course, some no voteswill slip through to the inbox to make things intersting.....

Makes no difference... a non-vote is a yes vote.