I started as a full time driver off the street at 40 years old. Guess I just applied at the right time to get in. Now I am looking at getting out sometime this spring. To me the job has gotten harder in just the last 3 years, and I know I would never be able to make it to retirement the way we are pushed now. The guys I know that started 15 years ago, had a different animal back then, and were younger than I was when they started. And the young guys I see coming on now will have a hard time making retirement. Some of them have been here only a year or two, and they are already complaining about how much they hurt. 2 of them have already been out on injuries. And before those of you who push the methods so hard jump on me, I use them. And the other guys I know use them too. It's just that the job has gotten that much more physically demanding. I hear stories about how 5, 10 years ago we didn't deliver 25 boxes of copy paper to offices, Pottery barn, and there was less over 70's going through back then. This all ads up despite how safe we work. And in the time I have been here I have seen the job get worse as far as how hard we are pushed, and treated by management. (I'm sure most of you can relate to that, and it doesn't need any explaining).