And So It Begins...

59 Dano

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I notice just how little you have to say because what I spoke to was the dramatic and completely unforeseen turn of events that can transform a person's life into something they never dreamed possible or could have foreseen .

No, it's because you babble on and on and on and on and on about concepts that can be explained in two sentences, that everyone already knows anyway, and are irrelevant to any conversation.
 

It will be fine

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The only thing you know about smart people is that you're not one of them.

"The debt" associated with with Social Security and Medicare is a deficit caused by the fact that both programs are seeing more and more people collecting benefits and fewer people paying the payroll taxes that are designed to fund them. The problem is actuarial, not one of "DERP TAXCUTS DERP DERP." This defect in the structure of those programs was noticed long before you started licking windows.
Social Security needs a final solution. It’s time for the boomers to make a sacrifice for the greater good.
 

bacha29

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Social Security needs a final solution. It’s time for the boomers to make a sacrifice for the greater good.
What are you talking about now? We boomers saw our full retirement age raised form 65 to 67. Increased rate of taxation and the cap on income subject to FICA raised every year and SS benefits now subject to FIT which in my case saw 85% of my benefits being subject to FIT Now just how, when and where should we boomers be required to sacrifice? Only be allowed to live just so long like something out of "Logan's Run"? C'mon man you walked right into this one. Let's see how good you are at BS ing your way out of it.
 

bacha29

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No, it's because you babble on and on and on and on and on about concepts that can be explained in two sentences, that everyone already knows anyway, and are irrelevant to any conversation.
A self appointed judge of what is relevant and what isn't. All coming form a guy who had to go crawling back to Fat Freddy and ask for his job back. Hahahahahaha !
 

dmac1

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The only thing you know about smart people is that you're not one of them.

"The debt" associated with with Social Security and Medicare is a deficit caused by the fact that both programs are seeing more and more people collecting benefits and fewer people paying the payroll taxes that are designed to fund them. The problem is actuarial, not one of "DERP TAXCUTS DERP DERP." This defect in the structure of those programs was noticed long before you started licking windows.


Are you totally ignorant????

It is the NATIONAL debt that republicans are citing as the reason for the need to reduce expenditures on Medicare and Social Security. There is no plan to 'cash in' the bonds to pay for the current bubble passing through the system. Republicans consider ALL federal revenue as spendable income on whatever they want, and if the spending requires that you work 2 more years, so be it. If it means means testing for Medicare, so be it. If it means cutting the social security benefit starting at lower income, so be it.

You just want to deflect, either consciously or subconsciously, or likely unconsciously from how Trump is running the country. When you are going to pay more and get less, while corporations pay less and keep more, you clownishly show your true MAGA colors. Trying to switch to the "debt associated with Social Security and Medicare" when it is clear that the National debt is being used as a reason to make cuts makes it clear that you don't have a valid point.
 

Bingo

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Are you totally ignorant????

It is the NATIONAL debt that republicans are citing as the reason for the need to reduce expenditures on Medicare and Social Security. There is no plan to 'cash in' the bonds to pay for the current bubble passing through the system. Republicans consider ALL federal revenue as spendable income on whatever they want, and if the spending requires that you work 2 more years, so be it. If it means means testing for Medicare, so be it. If it means cutting the social security benefit starting at lower income, so be it.

You just want to deflect, either consciously or subconsciously, or likely unconsciously from how Trump is running the country. When you are going to pay more and get less, while corporations pay less and keep more, you clownishly show your true MAGA colors. Trying to switch to the "debt associated with Social Security and Medicare" when it is clear that the National debt is being used as a reason to make cuts makes it clear that you don't have a valid point.
Once again you are clueless- Social Security and Medicare has NOTHING with any other program. The monies in the program can not be moved or borrowed. It is entirely financed by payroll taxes. The reason changes have to be done has to do with life expectancy. In 1935 when the program started the average life span in the US was 61 years old. Today the ave life span in the US is 78 years old. You really need to stop watching Rachael Maddow
 

Bingo

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Your 'chart' means nothing. A deficit or surplus in a tiny, unpopulated state means nothing. Those 'fiscally' run states have major problems with education levels, infrastructure deterioration, or lack of opportunity.
If that is the case why are so many people leaving those Democratic States. I have lived in Florida more then half my life.People and companies are moving here in droves . Many leaving Democratic States. Today Boeing just announce they were closing a Virginia plant and moving it to Florida
 

vantexan

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And our 'energy independence' has brought down prices here too. Right.

Independence is meaningless when oil producers are allowed to take American oil and sell it overseas. The rich get richer, and all the increased production stll leaves us with prices higher under Trump. When Trump was elected, average price was $2.35 and now it is $2.75. Another thank you to Trump.
Don't know where you live but I've seen a lot of places under $2.30, and as low as $2.12 in the Southeast. Thank your state's taxation for higher fuel prices. And they have been exporting oil for some time now, before Trump.
 

dmac1

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If that is the case why are so many people leaving those Democratic States. I have lived in Florida more then half my life.People and companies are moving here in droves . Many leaving Democratic States. Today Boeing just announce they were closing a Virginia plant and moving it to Florida

They leave democratic states because the know republican leadership in the states will allow them to pay slave wages. And people in Florida think Walmart is a luxury store. Makes that $7.25 an hour go pretty far. Fat food and cheap chinese clothing seems like luxiries down there.
 
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dmac1

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Once again you are clueless- Social Security and Medicare has NOTHING with any other program. The monies in the program can not be moved or borrowed. It is entirely financed by payroll taxes. The reason changes have to be done has to do with life expectancy. In 1935 when the program started the average life span in the US was 61 years old. Today the ave life span in the US is 78 years old. You really need to stop watching Rachael Maddow

Clueless????? You seem unaware that plans have been drawn up (and then withdrawn when democrats publicized it) to cut the benefits for the stated reason that the debt is too high, and that they would not, could not borrow more money if/when the 'funds' run low. They will borrow to give corporate tax cuts, but then use the higher debt the cuts cause to justify cutting benefits for retired and senior. I never said anything else. You are hung up emotionally on somehow proving how smart you are by talking about a different subject. You can't refute what I wrote, so you need to change the subject to a different issue.

Again, republicans are using the higher national debt caused by massive tax cut for corporations and top earners to justify making cuts to social security. Now they 'can't' borrow or raise taxes to fully fund the programs. It is only when programs that help the low and middle income face shortfalls that the debt is an issue. If you can't see the connection between a high debt caused by tax cuts, and now being so broke that we can't fund social programs, I can't help. That's a problem caused by too few connections in your brain.
 

dmac1

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Don't know where you live but I've seen a lot of places under $2.30, and as low as $2.12 in the Southeast. Thank your state's taxation for higher fuel prices. And they have been exporting oil for some time now, before Trump.


Do you understand the term 'national average'????? Look it up. Gas prices are HIGHER under Trump, even with the country being a net energy producer. Being a net producer just means that the oil companies produce more profit from American resources with no benefit to consumers. You just won't admit ANYTHING negative has happened under Trump's watch. Keep wearing those rose colored glasses. Everything looks rosy. Probably makes the orange leader even look pink instead of orange.

And it was under Trump that oil companies got the green light to begin massive export of REFINED oil products.
 

dmac1

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Once again you are clueless- Social Security and Medicare has NOTHING with any other program. The monies in the program can not be moved or borrowed. It is entirely financed by payroll taxes. The reason changes have to be done has to do with life expectancy. In 1935 when the program started the average life span in the US was 61 years old. Today the ave life span in the US is 78 years old. You really need to stop watching Rachael Maddow


You might want to think about how dumb that post makes you look. When the US issues bonds to the social security trust fund, do you think they just stash the cash?????

They count that as REVENUE from bond sales and spend it. And I don't get MSNBC.
 

vantexan

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Do you understand the term 'national average'????? Look it up. Gas prices are HIGHER under Trump, even with the country being a net energy producer. Being a net producer just means that the oil companies produce more profit from American resources with no benefit to consumers. You just won't admit ANYTHING negative has happened under Trump's watch. Keep wearing those rose colored glasses. Everything looks rosy. Probably makes the orange leader even look pink instead of orange.

And it was under Trump that oil companies got the green light to begin massive export of REFINED oil products.
And if you knew how oil markets work you'd know if Venezuela melts down, or tankers are attacked in the Strait of Hormuz, etc, etc, prices go up. Nothing to do with Trump.
 

bacha29

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And if you knew how oil markets work you'd know if Venezuela melts down, or tankers are attacked in the Strait of Hormuz, etc, etc, prices go up. Nothing to do with Trump.
He's taking all the credit for the economic growth. Let's see if he'll take responsibility not if but when it heads the other way. Of course Dear Leader has people like you trying to protect him already. No surprise there. Since day one he as been portraying himself as the innocent and mistreated person preying on the sympathy of his base. It's worked so far but it's a tactic with a short shelf life.
 

bacha29

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Clueless????? You seem unaware that plans have been drawn up (and then withdrawn when democrats publicized it) to cut the benefits for the stated reason that the debt is too high, and that they would not, could not borrow more money if/when the 'funds' run low. They will borrow to give corporate tax cuts, but then use the higher debt the cuts cause to justify cutting benefits for retired and senior. I never said anything else. You are hung up emotionally on somehow proving how smart you are by talking about a different subject. You can't refute what I wrote, so you need to change the subject to a different issue.

Again, republicans are using the higher national debt caused by massive tax cut for corporations and top earners to justify making cuts to social security. Now they 'can't' borrow or raise taxes to fully fund the programs. It is only when programs that help the low and middle income face shortfalls that the debt is an issue. If you can't see the connection between a high debt caused by tax cuts, and now being so broke that we can't fund social programs, I can't help. That's a problem caused by too few connections in your brain.
From from it's very first budget proposal the Trump administration has sought to make major cuts to key social programs in an effort to drive doctors out of the Medicare program and to push the Medicaid program which a major share goes to nursing homes to pay for the care of indigent patients whose own money has been exhausted back on to the states to make up the difference or hand ageing parents back to their children to care for. 62% of nursing home patients are on Medicaid, yet when he announced his campaign for reelection in Florida the other day who was there? A huge throng of retired individuals worshiping the ground he walked on without ever realizing what he's doing to them behind their backs.
Today there seems to be a growing number of X er's Z's and millennials who see the boomers as drains on wealth and resources that could be used to improve their standard of living and increased personal wealth despite the fact that the boomers put their generations in a position whereby they could achieve it on their own if they were willing embark on what for many would be a whole new life experience......It's called work.
 

vantexan

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He's taking all the credit for the economic growth. Let's see if he'll take responsibility not if but when it heads the other way. Of course Dear Leader has people like you trying to protect him already. No surprise there. Since day one he as been portraying himself as the innocent and mistreated person preying on the sympathy of his base. It's worked so far but it's a tactic with a short shelf life.
And yet y'all are amongst the first to say a president can't influence the market but are amongst the first to blame him if things don go your way. The international oil market has influences even the U.S. president can't control.
 

bacha29

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And yet y'all are amongst the first to say a president can't influence the market but are amongst the first to blame him if things don go your way. The international oil market has influences even the U.S. president can't control.
This one is clearly attempting to control the markets by threatening to remove Powell from his chairman's position if he doesn't do exactly what he says. Nobody has ever done that. Instead they allow the Fed to function independently as it was designed to be. Furthermore, your comments prove conclusively that you're among the first to run to the defense of Dear Leader to protect him from threats that don't yet exist.
 

vantexan

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This one is clearly attempting to control the markets by threatening to remove Powell from his chairman's position if he doesn't do exactly what he says. Nobody has ever done that. Instead they allow the Fed to function independently as it was designed to be. Furthermore, your comments prove conclusively that you're among the first to run to the defense of Dear Leader to protect him from threats that don't yet exist.
Trump threatens to remove, and occasionally does, anyone he feels isn't getting the job done. What's surprising about that?
 

bacha29

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Trump threatens to remove, and occasionally does, anyone he feels isn't getting the job done. What's surprising about that?
He removes anyone who doesn't answer to his every beck and call. Hope Hicks stopped answering the call from Dear Leader and she was soon gone. Yet when called to testify before Congress as a private citizen who comes along to determine what she can and cannot say? . A WH lawyer. Now you have another crisis looming in the Middle East which was clearly of Trump's own doing with a temporary acting DOD secretary.
 

vantexan

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He removes anyone who doesn't answer to his every beck and call. Hope Hicks stopped answering the call from Dear Leader and she was soon gone. Yet when called to testify before Congress as a private citizen who comes along to determine what she can and cannot say? . A WH lawyer. Now you have another crisis looming in the Middle East which was clearly of Trump's own doing with a temporary acting DOD secretary.
Iran firing on us was their doing. Iran attacking shipping in the Strait of Hormuz was their doing. Trump diffused the situation a bit this morning by saying shooting down the drone was most likely directed by someone incompetent in their military, not by Iran's leadership. That greatly calmed the markets. Now if Iran takes out a manned aircraft expect a quick reprisal.
 
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