Can't decide to vote yes or no

Discussion in 'UPS Union Issues' started by tadpole, Jul 28, 2018.

  1. tadpole

    tadpole Active Member

    My #1 issue with this job is too many hours. I was hoping this contract would reduce my excessive overtime. I wanted absolute protection from over 60 hours. I don’t want to have to file and fight every time they don’t honor my 9.5. Basically, there will be no real improvements that matter with excessive OT, but at least nothing got worse.

    I do not like the idea of 22.4s making less, with no protections. But ever since I’ve been here, the rookies have always been getting screwed, so no real change here. If anything, these newbs will make more $$ right off the bat. They can bid RPCD jobs, so they’re not stuck.

    I don’t care about PT catch up raises. We all made chump change before we went full time. They’re not being hurt that new hires get $13. They would be happier if new hires still made $8.50. Worry about yourself.

    I know UPS likes to over dispatch. I don’t think they are going to be lowering any stop counts due to 22.4s. But who knows, maybe they might. So a small possibility for improvement.

    If anything, I worry RCPDs will have later start times due to 22.4s. Or other unforeseen consequences. So overall, I worry it will have a slightly negative effect. But who knows?

    I don’t see a problem with the “as long as there is work available” language because we are scheduled M-F and guaranteed 8 hrs. They never like to have enough drivers and I just can’t see layoffs on Mon happening. There would be a line out the door for “who wants a dead day?”

    I’d be happy knowing I won’t be working any weekends. I am happy with the monetary details of the proposed contract.

    TLDR - It’s not really a bad contract but I’m really disappointed the excessive OT problem wasn’t handled.

    Leaning towards no but the more I think about it, swaying towards yes.
     
  2. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Under the current Contract, because there's no "If work is available" language. RPCDs will not be guaranteed 8 hours M-F under the new language. Period. It's a fact. If you want 40 hours you'll probably be free to work long hours a few days of the week. If too many RPCDs want long hours those few days, the Company will fall back on the "If work is available" language for that purpose too.

    Not always or at every location. Especially if in addition to huge route cuts on Monday due to heavy RPCD weekend routes, volume that might be delivered on Friday by a higher paid RPCD is held for delivery by a lower paid 22.4 on Saturday,

    Not a chance. The Company has zero interest in lighter routes. They'll cut routes very hard on Mondays, and possibly Fridays. If a lower seniority RPCD wants their 40 hour guarantee they'll probably be welcome to work long days between Tuesday-Friday when "work is available", or maybe even Tuesday through Thursday if any Friday volume is held for Saturday.
     
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  3. tadpole

    tadpole Active Member

    Here, the schedule is posted Friday. It will list all the RPCDs start times from M-F. If you’re scheduled and you come in, you’re getting your 8.

    I agree though, that this language is troubling, especially since there are probably a lot of creative ways for the company to use it that we haven’t even thought of yet. But it has been my experience at UPS that anyone wanting more hours is always given them. I’ve never had to worry about not enough hours, it’s always been too much.

    Also, I have enough seniority to not be worried about this for myself.
     
  4. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    You do you, man. Your brothers and sisters appreciate that.

    Any RPCD should be terrified by "as long as work is available."

    .....you're scheduled and you come in, sup says, "Sorry, no work is available, best of luck tonorrow."
     
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  5. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

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    BEWARE OF INTERNET BOOGIEMAN MAKING THINGS UP

    Talk to your Business agent about this first
     
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  6. tadpole

    tadpole Active Member

    I am under the impression that In the Western region, they have to pay you your 8. Are you saying the new language would change this?
     
  7. bumped

    bumped Well-Known Member

    tadpole...Will it be OK in the future for employees to vote to cut your pension for their higher wages? I mean the future employees have to take care of themselves...Right?
     
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  8. tadpole

    tadpole Active Member

    Yes I have. He seemed to want to get the contract passed. He reassured me that we are guaranteed our 8 and that is not going to change.
     
  9. tadpole

    tadpole Active Member

    No you’re right, we need to look out for each other.
     
  10. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    Article 2 section 2 in the NMA explains that language in riders rule. Talk to your Business Agent and he will explain. I am in west and have a 8 hour 5 day guarantee so that stuff he posted is :bsbullf: to me.
     
  11. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    In the west, maybe your supplement covers that, but it would be much better to have it in the NMA, then we all know that we are all covered.
     
  12. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    well if your in my region then you do too.
     
  13. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    As you previously said, the guarantee you said you've got in the southwest is from 2013, and you haven't seen the 2018 release yet. I'd be amazed if all drivers in the Southwest Region, or any region really, are exempted from the "If work is available" language when the 2018 supplements/riders are done.
     
  14. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    Your clueless.
     
  15. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    Western supplement hasn't even been released yet, neither have the riders. I wouldn't start counting any chickens just yet. Better safe than sorry.
     
  16. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    Hey, if you think language in the 2013 release of your supplement/rider is going to save you , I can't help you.
     
  17. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    LOL. Want to bet? Box Ox has already said enough to look silly when it comes out.
     
  18. LagunaBrown

    LagunaBrown Well-Known Member

    I told you 3 times its the same in 2018. I realize the vote no guys have terrible comprehension. Hopefully you got it this time.
     
  19. Just A UPS Guy

    Just A UPS Guy Active Member

    Bet on what....????.....you just agreed that it hasn't been released yet....
     
  20. Box Ox

    Box Ox Well-Known Member

    How do you know?