Contract proposals for 2018

[kingOFchester]

Supplement issue.

No crap Sherlock. Title of thread mentions nothing about this being just about the National agreement. Also, OP even mentioned in his post a supplement issue.

Why do your posts read like something that comes from a -nozzle?

 

[barnyard]

We are starting to see more shoulder injuries from end range, in cab motions. Start ordering push button autos (shifting and auto is an end range motion,) make the flashers a push button (could eliminate carpal tunnel issues) and change the location of the park brake (eliminating another end range motion.)

I would like to see the start of discussions to switch from a defined benefit pension to a defined contribution.

 

[Brownslave688]

We are starting to see more shoulder injuries from end range, in cab motions. Start ordering push button autos (shifting and auto is an end range motion,) make the flashers a push button (could eliminate carpal tunnel issues) and change the location of the park brake (eliminating another end range motion.)

I would like to see the start of discussions to switch from a defined benefit pension to a defined contribution.

Our new p1000 are extremely hard to pull the flashers out on. We just got some new ones and one of the drivers was complaining about how bad his wrist hurt.

 

[UpstateNYUPSer(Ret)]

Our new p1000 are extremely hard to pull the flashers out on. We just got some new ones and one of the drivers was complaining about how bad his wrist hurt.

I have one and they are not that bad.

 

[Brownslave688]

I would like to see the start of discussions to switch from a defined benefit pension to a defined contribution.

I'm all for defined contribution but how do you switch over is the problem.

Plus no way the union goes for defined contribution.

 

[barnyard]

Some of the Ford P1000s had a short turn signal lever and a push button on the end of the stalk. Those were perfect.

edited to add.... or a push button on the dash. That is where it has been on all the cars I have since 2003.

 

[barnyard]

I'm all for defined contribution but how do you switch over is the problem.

Plus no way the union goes for defined contribution.

The conversation has to start at some point. That is all I want to see is that both sides are thinking about it. Defined benefit is not sustainable over the long term.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

The conversation has to start at some point. That is all I want to see is that both sides are thinking about it. Defined benefit is not sustainable over the long term.

We had several employers pull out of our pension plan.

 

[LeadBelly]

We had several employers pull out of our pension plan.

How does that work?

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

How does that work?

They had to pay a buyout fee. A pretty large one.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

We had several employers pull out of our pension plan.

Went out of business ?

Or, paid the withdraw liability ?


It's off topic.

Name names....



-Bug-

 

[LeadBelly]

They had to pay a buyout fee. A pretty large one.

Oh I misread it as employees. I know how they buy out of the pension liabilities.

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Went out of business ?

Or, paid the withdraw liability ?


It's off topic.

Name names....



-Bug-

Didn't go out of business. Just wanted out of the plan. It's a nice temporary boost on the balance sheet but it's going to be had in the long run.

 

[LeadBelly]

Went out of business ?

Or, paid the withdraw liability ?


It's off topic.

Name names....



-Bug-

I do not know of to many as the costs are astronomical. So many freight companies went out of business and never paid their pension liabilities only to open up shop later down the road. All massive republicans.

 

[Brownslave688]

The conversation has to start at some point. That is all I want to see is that both sides are thinking about it. Defined benefit is not sustainable over the long term.

I totally agree but the unions hands will have to be forced before they give up control of that money.

 

[Brownslave688]

I have one and they are not that bad.

We have 4-5 new ones. I've driven a couple that aren't bad and a couple that are really hard to pull out.

 

[BigUnionGuy]

I totally agree but the unions hands will have to be forced before they give up control of that money.

Ok.

Your contract proposal is.... ??

 

[IVE GOTTA PACKAGE 4U]

Oh I misread it as employees. I know how they buy out of the pension liabilities.

It's not good news in the long run.

 

[10 Pt]

See 10pt post. He answered it for me beautifully

I didn't think that you were going to respond to that question from a senior driver who should know better.
Sorry, I couldn't help myself.
Since none of the FT stewards have ever been offered steward's training in our building that issue was one we had to learn on our own. Leaving personal opinions out of the representation issues, unless it's for the good of the hourly involved, is what we had to learn.

I'd like to see the union come up with our own safety committee criteria, on paper, and make it uniform throughout in the National language.
Too often (almost always) the company runs the show and all the UPS/Teamster Safety Committee members become passive puppets on stage. It's pitiful.

Whoever has the (redundant) program on paper too often runs the show.

We need our own agenda along with Art 18 language and get it on paper so that the company can adhere to fixing our safety issues every month.

 

[wide load]

They had to pay a buyout fee. A pretty large one.

What about the unfunded liability afterwards?