Forced 1 hr lunch

Discussion in 'UPS Discussions' started by Thatguy123, Jan 31, 2019.

  1. 542thruNthru

    542thruNthru Well-Known Member

    The op still hasn't told us what his Supplmental says. If it requires them to take a 1hr lunch then he should be taking one.

    We have to many people that think they can pick and choose parts of the contract that they want to follow.

    Also I disagree with the extra 30 min not costing anyone their job. We have a little over 80 drivers in my center. If everyone took a full hour it would add routes easily.
     
  2. Northbaypkg

    Northbaypkg 20 NDA stops daily

    Totally agree with this! The exact same thing is going in in my hub, and I do the same as soberups posted. If they give me a stop count that allows me enough time to take a full hour lunch, plus my two 15 minute breaks and still clock out at a decent time then sure I'll take an hour. If they put a stop count that causes me to clock out at 8pm with an hour lunch, then I take just a half hour lunch and clock out at 7:30pm instead. That's a half hour I'd rather spend at home with my family, rather than sitting in a truck twiddling my thumbs not getting paid for.

    I totally agree that this is just the flavor of the month and once the volume picks up you'll never hear about hour lunches again till next year. Every time this hour lunch thing comes around I comply only when they comply by giving me a low enough stop count. I've never been pulled into the office about taking a half hour lunch despite all the hour lunch PCMs so I'll just continue.

    I forget, what's the flavor of the month that usually follows this one? Is it the uniform compliance? Shaved beards? Proper footwear? Attendance?
     
  3. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Might be different in your parts? We are required to take the full hour. We have had PCM's on this after some legal trouble the company was in in another area.

    Not taking lunch is working free. In my center they take out the hour no matter what.

    You convert to a half hour lunch and you will still have the same bunch working for free. Shut the diad down!
     
    Last edited: Feb 2, 2019
  4. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Plenty of drivers are sorting during lunch too. They are scared of management.
     
  5. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    Your state law allows for people working off the clock? In our state you must be paid for all time worked. It's a $1000 fine for every infraction. One employer I worked for required everyone to show up 15 minutes early to get a briefing from the last shift, but didn't pay for the time. One call to labor and industry shut that down for all eternity.
     
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  6. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    UPS can only insist on it if the contract allows for it. They will insist on whatever will allow them to meet their numbers. If what they insist on is prohibited by the contract, it must be grieved. My rider allows for our choice of 1/2 hour or 1 hour. We can take 45 minutes with approval. Why would you need approval for 45 minutes? Who knows? We also have a past practices that allows to split up a lunch break into two 30 minute lunches. I think you can even get away with longer lunch breaks as long as it doesn't interfere with service and you record the time properly.
     
  7. Jkloc420

    Jkloc420 Well-Known Member

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  8. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    If they take out an hour even when you enter 30 minutes they are also violating the contract. They are required to pay you for all hours worked.
     
  9. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    The only time that would be true is on all-business routes where the drivers are taking 30 minutes in order to avoid missed business stops.
    My route is almost entirely residential.
    So if they give me 9.5 hours worth of work, the only difference between a 30 minute vs a 60 minute lunch is clocking out at 6:30 vs 7:00 at night.
     
  10. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    Do that and you are in the office for not working as directed. Our diad will not let you enter times if you input any info. You cannot skip the full hour.
     
  11. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    The center manager would say, "so, you falsified your data"?...Fired! You cannot skip lunch. We all know this.
     
  12. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    I get paid for every minute minus the time I put in for lunch. If I don’t put in a lunch I get paid for all hours. FYI... Shutting the diad down does not stop people from working through lunch
     
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  13. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    You said they change your time to a full hour. Sounds like they are doing the falsifying.
     
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  14. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    This is old school. The company used to take an hour off your time for lunch regardless what you put in the board.
     
  15. soberups

    soberups Pees in the brown Koolaid

    Then go ahead and write me up for not working as directed.
    But pay me my money.
     
  16. zubenelgenubi

    zubenelgenubi Well-Known Member

    In my state that would be illegal, and is also a contract violation. However, not taking your lunch is also a contract vioaltion.
     
  17. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    Mine too, I’m surprised that ups continues this practice.
     
  18. Wally

    Wally BrownCafe Innovator & King of Puns

    It's the drivers, not the company. We had union backed PCM's saying under no circumstances is it ok not to take a full lunch.

    Guys know they are falsifying so they say nothing.
     
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  19. tramtwo

    tramtwo Member

    I was taught to not skip it and to not move it. It's our only dispatch tool. :D
     
  20. 1989

    1989 Well-Known Member

    It is the company that takes an automatic hour out of your pay. Therefore the union says you must take an hour. We had the auto hour until 2008 in one building I worked in. There was no need to put a lunch in the board back then. As I said, mgmt turned it off in 2008.